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As much as I would love for OpenGovernment to succeed. You guys have got NO chance, your just standard average Joes. You could be the President's son and it still wouldn't make a difference. There are so many layers of corruption, collusion, old boys networks and John McCain's that you will never change how the government works.

Not to mention that the Federal reserve is a completely different beast. You would literally have to physically destroy the government before you have any chance of change.




If everyone thought the way you do, we'd still be paying taxes to the King.


The Founders DID think like him. Which is why they use violence to achieve what they wanted.

Don't forget that they also had to conquer a new continent.


Errr. I don't really see how your point is relevant. I guess you thought I meant "I didn't want change", or that "there's no point in trying because it will never happen".

What I actually said, and perhaps I should have been clearer was: there is not a single thing any group of people (we), any size, no matter of what "civillian" importance you are can do to change a single thing about how your government operates, or how it regulates its money supply.

Least of all, an online community of any type, especially one thats campaigning for data. I know this is going to read like I'm a dick, but I'm not. I just know there is one thing I am certain of: the world if fu* corrupt. AWFULLY so.

If the government official in the video, who was hired by Obama to oversee the fed, doesn't have access to the data, and won't answer that/those questions - then who does? Nobody within the organisation we call "the government".

Moreso, if they do have the data and they just aren't sharing it, then its double bull because that in my book, is a bit hooky.

Edit: so I suppose my conclusion is, given that the government either doesn't have, or isn't sharing the data. How are you peaceful protestors going to get this data out of them? Assuming of course if the government doesn't have the data your battling a faceless, nameless, infinitely wealthy enemy. Or that if its the government, well, they have an army.

So now, you can see why I think a campaign for data is borderline ridiculous. But very commendable given I'm not doing a single thing to change things. That goes without saying.

Edit 2: It all comes down to incentives, and I would be surprised if anybody could fathom and incentive that would make them hand over all the money, all the power, all the land and all the fun in the world. Which is this campaigns ultimate aim, through uncovering bad behaviour in the data. Unless of course you have a jar of flying powder, or eternal life juice.





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