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isnt it just possible that the bot got lucky. It plays good. Maybe really good but does it play as good as a pro??? Would it win 9 wp bracelets. Would It make it to day 3 of the world series of poker.

Chris Moneymaker got some damn good hands. Its part of the game. Its why this feat is unremarkable and why poker is a crap game for AI. The outcomes are very loose, especially when the reason these guys are pros is partially because of their ability to read.

You are taking away a tool that made their proker players great and then expect them to be a metric to test the AI. A better test would be to have pro players play a set of 1, 2, 4, 7 basic rule bots and the AI does the same. Then you compare differences in play. With enough data points you can compare situations that are similar but the AI did better or worse. This is a fair comparison of skill.

Also if there are professional players at a multiplayer game the AI is getting help from other players. Just like Civ V I get help from the AI attacking itself. Im sure this AI got help from the players attacking eachother (especially if they were doing so and making the pot bigger for the AI to grab up, think of a player reraising another player after the bot does a check all in).



Despite the luck/noise in Poker, there are reasonable measures of performance, and while I'm not an expert in this area, the bot seems to be doing very well (see paper for details). Poker is not a "crap game for AI" it's actually quite a good game. It's a very simple example of a game with a lot of randomness (a feature not a bug) and hidden information that still admits a wide variety of skill levels (expert play is much better than intermediate play is much better than novice play). This is a great accomplishment.

More links for reference: https://ai.facebook.com/blog/pluribus-first-ai-to-beat-pros-... https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2019/07/10/scie...


"In a 12-day session with more than 10,000 hands, it beat 15 top human players."

That's not luck. See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20416099

Also, Chris Moneymaker is a good poker player. He's no Phil Ivey or Tom Dwan, but he's still very good and has had decent results after his WSOP win.




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