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But Huawei would forfeit their non-China market share.


More likely just US and maybe Five Eyes.

Almost all other countries seem to be okay with Huawei and any potential Chinese security threat.


The real problem is American apps like YouTube, Instagram or Snapchat. Any platform without those is stillborn.


The particular one is YouTube as there is a large back catalogue of stuff.

WhatsApp is the one you needed to mention, if you have that then you are locked into a phone number based service.

Apps can go to PWA mode, if you think of the business case for a third party app going PWA then it is a good one - ease of adoption as no need to install.

If Huawei wanted to they could host videos and offer better monetisation to content creators. If you get notifications that your favourite channels have new stuff does it matter what logo is at the top of the page?

If the deal was a good one to upload the entire back catalogue to HuaweiTube then it could work. People already are used to uploading their blog post to half a dozen different places, no reason why people could not do this with video painlessly on Huawei 5G.

People who release stuff early on Patreon could be customers for this.

If HuaweiTube also allowed you to do images - as per Instagram and messaging all in one neat service (treating images as single frame videos and audio as video with no pictures) then it could be a better service.

I think that WhatsApp is the rub, people can go to the web version of Facebook on a Huawei phone, they don't need the app.


People have tried to replace YouTube for decades. The platform is too sticky. Even if you solve the immense issue of content streaming at scale, ad monetisation is Google's kingdom, charging for content doesn't work, donations don't work, etc.. it's just not feasible. Their web/mobile apps are also light heads ahead.

Regardless of the shitty things YouTube's done, there's a reason it's still so popular.

We also really need to preserve the back catalogue. There's so much invaluable stuff only on YouTube.


Nobody has forked out a billion dollars for paying people to make YouTube grade videos, if Huawei had a rival service and booked every single ad slot then I think that they could either lose a billion dollars or foster a new platform.

YouTube isn't massively integrated into other services, if you had one platform that did email, video hosting, Patreon things and still image things then I think it could work.

If the on-boarding is with your device, as per how it is with Android then why could it not work?

The goal posts change all the time. Because MicroSoft failed at it doesn't mean they would fail if they did the same today. Or if some other player did.


Especially WhatsApp, I would say. It is the absolute standard for communication in much of the world.


That’s surprising. Nobody has yet asked me for my WhatsApp contact details and thereby forced me to create an account. (Germany, previously UK).


That is surprising. Whatsapp is used by 81% of messaging app users in Germany[1] and almost 70% of Britons[2].

1. https://www.messengerpeople.com/global-messenger-usage-stati...

2. https://www.messengerpeople.com/global-messenger-usage-stati...


Ditto. I've never seen WhatsApp in the wild. I've been asked if I have iMessage and Venmo more times than I can remember, but nobody has ever asked me if I have WhatsApp.


Messaging platforms are very regional. From your mention of Venmo (which is US-only) I assume you're American. WhatsApp has it's popularity outside of the US.

I've not once in my life had someone ask for an iMessage, and Venmo I've only heard about online. The last time I sent an SMS was probably a decade ago.

Currently I live in LINE-land. 90% of my communication is on LINE. Among friends abroad, everyone has Facebook messenger but it's nobody's preferred method, rather a fallback. WhatsApp is popular among friends in Europe (Sweden/Spain). Don't know anyone who's mentioned Telegram/Signal.


Whatsapp is used by 81% of messaging app users in Germany[1] and almost 70% of Britons[2].

It hasn't caught on as much in the US.

1. https://www.messengerpeople.com/global-messenger-usage-stati...

2. https://www.messengerpeople.com/global-messenger-usage-stati...


January of 2018. At the time, Zuckerberg said WhatsApp had 1.5 billion monthly active users.


Zuckerberg also counts both of my cats as active Facebook users.


That hurts my head, having separate chat history and ads for your cats.


Its mostly used in third world countries. South Africa, Brazil, ect. Doesn't seem to have caught on that much in the first world, from what I've read.


Whatsapp is used by 81% of messaging app users in Germany[1] and almost 70% of Britons[2].

1. https://www.messengerpeople.com/global-messenger-usage-stati...

2. https://www.messengerpeople.com/global-messenger-usage-stati...


Really? Everyone uses WhatApp over here (Germany).


I've been casually following incidents of a number of governments blocking WhatsApp/Facebook to disrupt organizers of protests: every single time Telegram usage blooms literally overnight as it's harder to block. WhatsApp is not as sticky as I thought, if the entire network graph is forced off.


I would be surprised if the average European would buy an Android-fork phone with no Google Play.


It depends on what common apps are available. Only option I see for Huawei to get those is by leveraging the Chinese market to incentivize devs to make a google free version of their apps. This way they should have enough critical mass to make a port worth it. Offering a version of those internationally should be just a small additional step. This obviously would require ruling party of China to open up their user base to outside companies. But they would still have a lot of control through the app store, and if established successful this control could even extend beyond their borders. I wonder if there is a way for Huawei to actually get politicians on board with something like that...




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