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SpaceX's top secret payload (spacex.com)
65 points by rglovejoy on Dec 11, 2010 | hide | past | favorite | 22 comments



I'm a bit disappointed that they didn't get any science out of this. If you're going to send cheese to space, you should hire some food writers to eat it, compare it to non-space cheese, see if there were any salutary effects, etc.


No, you start a brand of 'Space' cheeses, and then when transit to and from the moon becomes regular you expand to a line of 'Moon' cheeses.


For those, like me, who don’t get it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3KBuQHHKx0 (I still don’t really get it, though.)


I didn't get it either, but someone explained in it the youtube comments:

The cheese shop proprietor symbolizesNASA. "You do have some cheese, do you?" "Certainly, sir, it's a cheese shop."


So uh, how much did including that wheel of cheese there cost?

EDIT: Why the downvotes? I can't imagine sending 2-3 kilos to space is cheap.


Most likely next to nothing. This was a test flight, they were probably happy for anyone paying them something for payload. (Two CubeSats were on board.) The important thing was bringing the capsule into orbit and back, that’s what will secure SpaceX continued support from Nasa.

Consider: While this second flight of the Falcon 9 rocket was a success like the first one, the first three flights of their smaller Falcon 1 rocket were failures. You don’t want to put expensive payloads on a rocket that flies for the second time.


Oh, you mean they included payload for testing, so they would have put something on there anyway? That makes sense...


Well, there's also the fact that a wheel of cheese is a lot easier to replace than a multi-million dollar satellite if something goes wrong.


Also: This is a capsule designed for supplying the ISS and returning safely to Earth. It can’t deploy satellites, even if SpaceX wanted to (the CubeSats were deployed from the second stage, not the capsule). Whatever payload you put in there would fly into orbit, stay there for three orbits and fly back. That’s just not attractive.


My question was basically "why did they put the cheese on there if it costs them much more (in fuel costs) to get it to space?" Why not just save the extra weight?


The rocket and capsule were designed with a certain payload weight target in mind. What SpaceX ended up with are a rocket and capsule that are capable of transporting between 0 and X kg (where X is the maximum payload) to orbit. SpaceX obviously doesn’t design a few thousand different rockets and capsules for a few thousand different payload weights, that would not be profitable.

Now, I’m by no means a spaceflight expert but I think it’s very reasonable to assume that spaceflight is a business with stupendously high fixed costs (designing and building the rocket and capsule) and comparatively much lower variable costs [0]. What this means is that the difference in cost between a flight of the Falcon 9 with no payload (except the capsule) and the maximum payload is relatively small. You will pay a lot of money for getting the capsule into orbit either way.

Or, to put it another way, the cost of getting the first kg into orbit is very high (because it includes the fixed cost of building and designing the rocket and capsule) while the marginal cost for every additional kg is relatively small (because the variable cost is a very gentle slope).

That’s true until you reach the maximum the rocket and capsule were designed for. The marginal cost of the first kg beyond the maximum payload will be relatively large because the rocket will have to be redesigned. (Drawing a graph would make all this so much easier to understand but I hope I was sufficiently clear.)

What this means it that SpaceX saves probably hardly any money by keeping the payload as low as possible while testing rocket and capsule.

[0] Other businesses with stupendously high fixed costs and comparatively low variable costs are for example Newspapers or software developers. The first copy costs for making the first copy of a newspaper or a piece of software are very high while the marginal costs for the second copy (the additional costs the Newspaper business or software developer will have for making a second copy) are very low, compared to all the costs that came before and that are fixed (salaries, buildings, machines, …) very nearly zero.


Ugh is right. Fuel costs for a wheel of cheese would have been lost in the noise, financially speaking. This is the point SSTO advocates have been making over the years - putting things into orbit costs a lot of money, not because of the energy required, but because you throw the space ship away.


I bet they could ebay that cheese for hundreds of dollars per ounce.


Not just aged, but space-aged!


This is the best joke I have ever read in a comment thread.


The rule of thumb I've always heard was sending thing to orbit cost $10,000 per pound. Not sure how true that is with SpaceX though


What matters here is the marginal cost of sending cheese rather than some other mass to simulate a payload.


Nominal price per pound to LEO for the Falcon 9 is $2,200, or about $800 per pound for the Falcon 9 heavy.


It's not just ballast, or ebay fodder. I see two symbolic meanings of the cheese related to SpaceX's asprirations: Cheese is food, which symbolizes the ISS resupply mission. And the cheese wheel symbolizes the moon, where they also want to go.


I heard it was a low-tech test of their heat shield performance. That's why the joke works - they had to see how runny it was.


All they missed was a can of spam.


Just imagine if they had to do an emergency abort and blowup the capsule in midflight.

There would be a mysterious burning cheese smell across the country :D




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