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Who specifically are you talking about?

And no, my standard of evidence is not hearing someone say the words - it is considering their actions and seeing if they align with a particular agenda. I've seen the accusations aplenty, but I just don't see any actual evidence supporting it. And for the record, I despise any kind of group-based ideology, or anything that treats people other than individuals. I denounce white nationalists or any kind of racial or ethnic superiority group when I see it - I just don't see it here.


And no, my standard of evidence is not hearing someone say the words - it is considering their actions and seeing if they align with a particular agenda.

That leaves the door open for a lot of hateful rhetoric excused on the grounds of 'ignore the speeches, look at the actions.' But in any case you could start by looking into the development of the 'muslim ban', anti-transgender policy in the armed forces, disregard for protected classes under title IX, and the so-called 'emergy' on the southern border.

Given the broad scope of your comment I'm not going to get into litigating those issues individually here, while understanding that you might not consider them as significant as other people do.


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> I do not, honestly, think you are arguing in good faith.

The majority of Muslim countries are not in those areas. There are muslim countries in Southeast Asia, West Africa, and Central Asia. You're arguing from a place of ignorance.

The top muslim countries are Indonesia (12% of muslims), India and Pakistan (11% each), Bangladesh (9%). Those four countries account for 53% of the muslim population. The arab countries (not all of which were banned) only account for 20%. Thus, the vast majority of muslims are still able to enter the United States. Calling this policy a muslim ban is like calling the EU policy of requiring Visas for most countries a non-white screening program.

Moreover, both venezuela and North Korea are banned, both of which have few muslims. Is this also a Christian / Buddhist / atheist ban now?

The five majority muslim countries that were banned (Syria, Iran, Yemen, Somalia, and Libya) account for 7.5% of the Muslim population. Syria at least also has a sizeable non-Muslim population.

> It's telling, I think, that you made this about the current President and his predecessor, and that your argument that the Muslim ban wasn't really white nationalist is because the Muslim ban was really a... ah yes:

And what exactly is it telling of? An avoidance of hyperbole when it comes to politics?


The reason the US banned them from traveling was from bombing their countries for years. Nothing to do with their faith.


Everything you said is on point. You won't find many upvotes in this echo chamber. The majority of HN viewers are on the west coast of the US.


About 10% of HN readers are in Silicon Valley. I don't know the numbers for the west coast but it must be less than 15%.




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