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That's unbelievable. Romania's GDP per capita PPP is 25k$, same as Greece and turkey. How Is Romania so undeveloped?

Some of the things about railways and road connectivity are even better in poor country like India




Romania's GDP has doubled since 2000.

It used to be very low in the 90's when it fell from numbers comparable to today's, but the old ones were based on fake, communist numbers.

We were very poor until 1945, close to Third World poor, we still had famines until then. Then the communists helped us industrialize a bit, but then refused the Marshall Plan.

Then from 1963 to 1989 we had a Kim/Mao wannabe dictator building heavy industry and paying external debts while people were starving.

We also sold - literally - our German and Jewish communities to their home countries. About 1 million people out of 23 at the time.

So a combo of uneducated populace, Soviet control, communists headhunting elites (again, literally). We're trying to build something now but these things take decades if not centuries.


Wiki "The economy grew between the 1950s and 1970s at one of the fastest rates in the world, changing Romania from a predominantly agricultural country into an industrialized country. Almost 30% of the population moved during this period from rural to urban areas to work in the newly-built factories."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_the_Socialist_Repub...

You "Then from 1963 to 1989 we had a Kim/Mao wannabe dictator building heavy industry and paying external debts while people were starving."

Not defending him, but what I found interesting is that it is the only country that comes to my mind that actually paid its debts off without defaulting:

"By 1986, it paid half its debt[7] and it finished paying its whole debt early in 1989, ahead of schedule." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980s_austerity_policy_in_Roma...


> Wiki "The economy grew between the 1950s and 1970s at one of the fastest rates in the world, changing Romania from a predominantly agricultural country into an industrialized country. Almost 30% of the population moved during this period from rural to urban areas to work in the newly-built factories."

Yup, they did do a few things well. Free primary and secondary school education, giving women access to jobs, increased urbanization, etc.

But you have to keep on thing in mind: this was communist planning and reporting. We even have jokes about it. Stuff like the production being reported as having grown 10x in one year and then people having to bring stuff from home (from last year's harvest) when being asked to hand over this year's production.

Plus, they changed the country from 90% rural and agricultural to 60%. Even in 2000 45% of the population was still working in agriculture. If you compare their results with same-period Western bloc countries, Romanian gains were lower and shorter term ones.

> Not defending him, but what I found interesting is that it is the only country that comes to my mind that actually paid its debts off without defaulting

Well, it was interesting, but it was at the cost of turning us into an autarky. You know who is/strives to be another one? North Korea. Do you know how Ceaușescu got the idea? In North Korea, after a state visit. He wanted to turn Romania into one of the world's poorest states, just so people would shower him with flowers at yearly events...

And regarding our growth numbers ("between the 1950s and 1970s"), guess when Ceaușescu visited North Korea... 1971 ;)


That’s like praising Mussolini for making the trains run on time.


I don't think you understand debt enough to understand how unlikely it is that a country pays off its debt. You can debate if it is good or bad to pay off the debt but it is definitely unusual without a jubilee.


I wasn't even questioning the debt, but the price Romanian people paid and more generally looking at him as some kind of "difficult guy, but fair" when in fact he was a ruthless dictator who lived like a king and though he was a God, just like any dictator or person with too much power.

That's like saying "Say what you will about Hitler, but he built some damn good highways.."

I live in Portugal, trust me, I know a thing or 2 about national debt..


That's like saying "Say what you will about Hitler, but he built some damn good highways.."

So what is the problem with quoting a fact without a judgment?


None, but I got a feeling it was with judgment and trying to sell a point.

If it wasn't then I digress.


Wouldn't it really be second world poor?




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