I wonder if anybody could give me a link to read on canned food issues. I come from Russia and there were non in USSR and Russia after USSR dissolved, what were the issues in the US?
You could look at it from at least two angles: canned food became associated with lower economic classes, and people became concerned that much of the nutritional value of canned foods was lost when they were preserved.
Today people who see themselves as well-off and/or health-conscious may pride themselves on eating fresh (as well as local and in-season) foods, although it can be an expensive habit in places that don't have as much local agriculture. Restaurants will brag about how they don't use packaged food and how they made dishes from fresh ingredients.
If you go to supermarkets that cater to poorer people, you'll probably see comparatively more preserved foods, although this is far from the only factor and all supermarkets will certainly offer a significant selection of preserved foods.
This phenomenon is probably even more pronounced with "TV dinners", which when they were introduced were seen as impressive and futuristic and somewhat luxurious, and nowadays the original styles are seen as somewhat unhealthy and unappetizing and are often associated with poverty or a lack of leisure time (although there are also frozen prepared dishes that are marketed differently).
Chipotle isn't a very expensive restaurant but they know that being able to say or imply that they prepare most of their items on-site from fresh ingredients makes it look a lot fancier to visitors, compared to other restaurants that might use more canned or frozen ingredients.
No. Fresh produce is basically always cheaper than processed foods, and there are no places on the continent that lack access to 'agriculture'. Hawaii, way up in Northern Canada - maybe.
I buy a big bad of produce from the local market and it comes to like $12. A bag of arbitrary goods from the processed isles would be 5 times that.
The only dietary staple that's expensive is meat.
My grandparents grew up on farms, they were poor, they never saw or ate a 'TV dinner' why on earth would they?
TV dinners and canned foods are not about economic poverty.
People who run their own farms are usually not living in poverty. Poor: yes, poverty: no.
Eating well for really cheap takes some upfront resources that really impoverished people wouldn't have, like kitchen space, cooking equipment, a lot of freezer or shelf space, equipment for freezing or canning your own food, etc.
Those things are all fairly cheap, so poor people living on a farm can afford them since it will save them a lot of money in the long run, but truly impoverished people can't afford that even if it will save them money.
Produce is cheaper than processed food universally.
100% of domiciles in the United States have refrigerators, cooking spaces, and 'shelf space'. (Did you really just use 'shelf space' as an argument?)
The facts are clear - the argument of 'cost of eating well' doesn't make a whole lot of sense because with a marginal bit of thought, it's entirely possible to eat well and save money.
If you're talking 'homeless' - well that's another thing entirely.
I think there may be some issues with 'time' - with two working parents not normative, and possibly kids, people have less time.
I don't see how that makes economic sense. Preserved food should wind up cheaper than the highly perishable even with additional input costs barring truly massive differences - the surplus isn't lost and can build up and even if it the sale price minus processing costs is less per item something is more than nothing.
As for your grandparents they were poor farmers so of course labor and seeds were cheap for them - they already had the prerequisites by definition.
I'm really befuddled at some of the reasoning here.
You buy groceries, right?
Because if you do, and you look at the prices, well then it's pretty clear.
So this should be an exercise in understanding why that is the case, not trying to reason against the reality that produce is cheap.
Most produce, and most of the best foods are really cheap.
Even other things like lentils, beans, quinoa (a little more expensive), chick peas.
You just have to cook it.
As for your argument 'preserved foods should be cheaper' - which by the way is a reasonable point for someone who takes an academic perspective and doesn't actually buy groceries, the answer is simply that those 'massive costs' are indeed that massive. They include expensive things like 'metal' in the cans. Fuel for transportation. Branding. Marketing. Distribution. Supply chains. Etc.
Fresh food is accessible to everyone in America with any kind of domicile. The notion that poor people eat more processed foods due to economic situation doesn't hold a lot of water, though there might be some issues around the margins (again: time), but I suggest it's more simply due to bad behaviours and bad eating habits.
FYI: poor people are also much more likely to smoke - which is a prohibitively expensive activity. Granted - it's addictive - but still.
The thought of homemade garlic hummus with baked peppers has inspired me to go and do that literally right now. It'll cost me $1 ... but a lot of time which I don't really have ...
Edit: My grandparents did not have electricity or cars as children and did not have plumbing until middle age w/ several children. Does that count as 'poor'?
I'm a big fan of buying and processing my own vegetables too. Not a whole lot of work in peeling a carrot or dismembering my own broccoli.
But its only fair to note, organic vegetables can be way more expensive than processed regular (commercially grown and processed) vegetables. That's pretty much the definition of commercial - where production cost is the driving factor.
