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Slow leak detected aboard Space Station (esa.int)
228 points by sanqui on Aug 30, 2018 | hide | past | favorite | 109 comments




Makes sense. A manufacturing defect in a Soyuz would be extremely surprising, they have a very well respected safety record.



How does it not happen more often?


Micrometeoroid impacts happen fairly regularly, but they're usually not energetic enough to make a hole. For example, there was a instance in 2012 where one hit a window: http://www.spacesafetymagazine.com/space-debris/kessler-synd...

But as that incident shows, such impacts are often relatively benign - in that case, they didn't even need to replace the outer layer window.

The hull is reinforced with four or five layers of shielding - the above article has a nice diagram: https://i2.wp.com/www.spacesafetymagazine.com/wp-content/upl...

This means the usual consequence of a micrometeroid impact is pitting of the outer layers that may not even be noticed.

For larger objects that present a serious danger, the US Space Surveillance Network attempts to track them and predict "conjunctions" with a zone around the ISS which extends 2km above and below it, and 25 km in each direction on the orbital path. Anything that's expected to intersect with this zone is analyzed and may result in the station being moved to get out of the way. These are mostly due to space junk of human origin. In 2013, there were at least ~70 of these "conjunction notifications", although this results in only about one move of the station per year, on average.

There's a description of how these cases are handled at https://arstechnica.com/science/2013/07/how-nasa-steers-the-... :

> "Any object with between a 1-in-10,000 and 1-in-100,000 chance of colliding with the station meets the "yellow" threshold. Flight rules say that the station must be moved out of the way in response to a yellow threshold object unless such a move results in a mission impact—"Like, if we do the burn, we're going to miss an opportunity to launch a Soyuz, for instance," explains Parris. "Do we delay the Soyuz, or do we do the maneuver?" A "red" threshold is assigned to any collision with a likelihood of between 1 (in other words, absolutely certain) and 1-in-10,000. Flight rules are more strict for maneuvers in response to red threshold objects: the station is always moved for a red threshold object, regardless of mission impact, unless a maneuver represents more risk than not maneuvering (for example, if there's a piece of equipment that's damaged on the ISS and a maneuver would exacerbate that damage)."

This doesn't help in the case of meteor showers, where the Earth is travelling through a zone full of small debris, typically caused by the trail of a comet. In those cases, the station has to rely on its shielding, but the debris sizes in those cases are almost all within the limits that the shielding can handle.


Very informative post, thanks!


ISS travels at a very low orbit which the earth’s atmosphere does a great job of keeping clean. They occasionally manover around anything large enough to be a significant issue. On to of that space is huge and largely empty even at the speed they are traveling.

The ISS is also designed to take a hit and can generally survive similar impacts without issue.


Does that mean there is a little meteor hanging out somewhere in the module?


At the typical velocities for this kind of impact, probably not. At these speeds, computer analyses ignore the solid properties of the colliding objects, modeling them as liquids, instead. (The shear resistances is just not relevant, and everything liquefies from the heat from the impact. Even that heat loss is negligible in terms of the total energy of the collision.)

Most likely, there would be fragments of the impactor and the hull, mixed together with each other and oxidized with the station air, floating about. I won't risk speculating about the fragment size, other than to say it would be pretty dang small. (I'm leaning toward "powder," but personally wouldn't rule out either "grit" or whatever "finer than powder" is.)


>or whatever "finer than powder"

silt.

if its even smaller its clay.


So the astronauts have breathed the meteor into their lungs? Funky ...


They're breathing far more dead skin. So are you, though.


I would expect much more stuff to be in the air under zero gravity. On earth dust will settle on the ground but I assume in the ISS it will keep floating around.


Yes, but that's organic and pretty normal. Aren't meteors and say moon dust dangerous because its very sharp and jagged?


Once it’s flashed to a plasma and turned into sub-micron dust? Probably not. The danger if there is any would be if the remaining particulates (assuming it wasn’t mostly reduced to heat, light and some basic elements) are friable.



If it were a hole, as in something punching through. These are cracks. Probably nothing passed through, these opened up beside the impact point as material buckled.


What's the possibility a meteor could hit an astronaut? I imagine that wouldn't be good.


Depends on the size of the meteor. It's very likely survivable; micrometeroid protection is a design feature of the suits, which have plenty of layers, and a small hole won't cause rapid decompression. For a through-suit puncture it's going to be a lot like a gunshot wound.

If you're hit by a speck of dust or a grain of sand you're probably good for most impact sites. If you're hit by a marble you're going to be in real trouble (same is true of the ISS itself in this case).

In any case, it's pretty unlikely.


I'd imagine they have some pretty heavy duty air filters that could catch and remove that sort of particulate. Total speculation though...


MMOD impacts tend towards "vaporize" rather than "puncture". That's how (and why) a Whipple shield works.


The Wikipedia article on the topic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipple_shield mentions that the ISS has 100 different kinds of shields on various parts of it -- presumably Soyuz doesn't have one thanks to its quite different launch and re-entry needs.


Soyuz wouldn't have much. Good thing it's in the orbital module; there are much more problematic places for a hole.

MMOD protection for visiting vehicles is actually a bit tough; they are on orbit for quite a while but have constraints around shielding. Both the new Boeing and SpaceX vehicles have had problems achieving high enough statistical survivability rates, mostly due to MMOD strikes. (Soyuz probably wouldn't pass those criteria either, but it's not asked to.)


According to Russian sources, the problem was found in the Habitation Module of the Soyuz MS-09 spacecraft, where the crew detected two small cracks, reaching 1.5 millimeters in size. Alexander Gerst apparently first discovered the leak.


Not only first discovered. The first temporary patch was Gerst's finger.


"The rate of the leak was slowed this morning through the temporary application of Kapton tape at the leak site."

In tape we trust!

I hope they show close ups!


The wikipedia page for Kapton [0] is interesting. "Kapton is a ... film ... that remains stable across a wide range of temperatures, from −269 to +400 °C"

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kapton


Interesting that they don't seem to have any kind of dedicated "patch kit" ready to go for stuff like this.


Why do you assume that? That's probably what the Kapton tape is for.


They do, it's called kapton tape.;)


>Kapton tape

Is that duck tape for spaceships?


If you open up a laptop, it’s the orange film that's often used to hold wires in place, and insulate parts from the casing.


Flexprints by-and-large are based on Kapton-like substrate as well.


Duck tape for applications needing large range of temperature stability and/or good electrical isolation. I saw it used extensively in aerospace electronics for commercial aircraft.


It gets used a lot in electronics assemblies, and places where you need high temp resistance (reflow ovens, SPACE), and low-to-no outgassing (important in vacuum applications). So it makes sense that they'd have it onboard.

So, uh, that's possibly a 'yes.'


Is that similar tape as the metal infused 'speed tape' that they use for temporary repairs or to seal panels on jetliners?


No, it's the clear orange tape you see wrapping up electronics exposed to heat some times. Polymide plastic film.


Thanks for the clarification. I wonder if it is tape they have on board specifically for this kind of thing, or whether they just repurposed tape used for insulating electrical work on the ISS?


Probably kind of both. Kapton tape is extremely tough and useful for a lot of things. It's pretty common in space applications, they probably had it around for a variety of uses.


Polyimide


Thanks. Damn phone keyboards.


Duct tape?

Or tape for ducks?



Tape made out of ducks. They're really sticky.


Yes.


At 1.5mm, a piece of tape would come closer than you'd think to being a permanent fix...

The vacuum of space seems drastically hard to keep at bay, but consider that you're only holding in enough gas to replicate sea-level air pressure (nominally 14 PSI or so). A typical soda can is pressurized to between 30 and 50 PSI depending on temperature, beverage etc.

Supposedly the apollo command module had a pressure skin that was as thin as 0.012" (0.3mm) in places.


I did a bit of searching and found that the ISS, along with Soyuz, are kept at sea-level atmospheric pressure (14.7PSI). This is unlike pressurised aircraft, which usually operate slightly below sea-level pressure at flying altitude.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabin_pressurization#Spacecraf...


How do you find it, once you register that there IS a leak? Will there be a draft towards the hole? Or do they use an outside IR camera?


I heard a possibly apocryphal story about finding leaks in military transport aircraft -- they'd toss rolls of toilet paper around inside the craft and watch for it drifting toward and sticking to the inside of the fuselage. Apparently there was a particularly bad leak one time that simply ate the entire roll was consumed with a "FWUMP".


It might whistle, perhaps ultrasonically.

It might produce a tiny little thrust.


Indeed they used an ultrasonic leak detector.


If my FTL training is worth a damn, Just look for the rooms turning red the fastest.


Binary search by closing doors and measuring the pressure drop? N-ary search if each module has its own barometer.


Even once you identify which module, there are many square meters of outer wall to find a millimeter hole in. And from what I have seen, every square millimeter of wall is more or less covered with stuff. There has to be a method to it.


I don't think they could fit another video or unrelated image in that article.

Are people posting content here just to get the ads traffic?


This is the official ESA website, they don't generate ad revenue AFAIK, or any revenue from their site directly.


The original url was at independent.co.uk, one of the UK's national newspapers.


At 1.5mm dust could block that hole from the inside and _sufficiently large (epoxy) bandaid_ could patch it from the outside.

Edit, from twitter link, "... has been sealed temporarily by tape ..."


Interesting, I was thinking you could use the pressure differential to flow epoxy into the hole before sealing pressure to stop flow and heating to cure, but makes sense that an epoxy bandaid would probably do just as well - probably good enough to just slap that over the hole.

Will they apply to both inside and out? Will epoxy cure properly if totally exposed to the cold low pressure of space?


Epoxy can cure in a vacuum, as demonstrated by common fabrication procedures (sort of). The temperature isn't actually that big of a thing. Space is "cold" because there's no heat but also nothing to conduct it away. It actually gets quite hot if you're facing the sun as well. Long story short though, as long as there's no gas passing through the hole, it should stay around the internal temperature of the ISS or at least close enough to cure.


Maybe even hotter than inside, since the epoxy reaction is exothermic as it cures.



How did they locate the hole?


Sounds like they needed an inanimate carbon rod!


This is a Simpsons reference but it also sounds like a variation of the "the Russians used a pencil" copypasta.


Has been fixed by now.

IF you have spare monitor going at your office/home, its fun to watch the ISS up to second tracking locations [1].

Fun fact I learned lately about ISS: at 400km above Earth's surface, the gravity is about 80% of a normal Earth gravity. The ISS is constantly falling down but because of Earth rotation it is falling "at the edge" so to speak so it never actually fell on the ground. Hope that make sense, I'm sure you read better explanation on Wiki.

[1] http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Human_Spaceflight/Internat...


I prescribe you 20 hours of Kerbal Space Program as homework.


Ksp is a truly amazing game.


That is what orbits are, really. Just falling around a bend.


> so to speak so it never actually fell on the ground.

Well, that and the rocket motor the have onboard that allows them to periodically reboost[0] the entire station to a higher orbit.

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsZUkrGGfuo


That’s the equivalence principle: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equivalence_principle


>Fun fact I learned lately about ISS: at 400km above Earth's surface, the gravity is about 80% of a normal Earth gravity.

That doesn't seem to match the movies of ISS shown, where there seems to be no (or very small) gravity. In 80% of normal earth gravity water wouldnt stay up in the air for example, and cosmonauts wouldn't be floating around in the station as we see in the videos...


The ISS is orbiting, it's falling sideways fast enough to miss the earth.

It's effectively in freefall, so although objects at 400km altitude are subject to 80% of the gravitational pull you experience on the ground, the astronauts don't notice it because they're falling sideways at the same speed as the ISS.

Edit: I just noticed that the post you were replying to included pretty much the exact same information I did, so I apologise if what I've said hasn't helped.


This is why we should use the term "free-fall", instead of "zero-gravity".

There is no way known to remove gravity. At best, you can cause the room to fall at the same rate as the things inside the room, causing the contents to float around.

It's the same principle that allows specialized airplanes to create the sensation of weightlessness, while very-much in almost Earth-surface gravity.


>There is no way known to remove gravity

Well, you can go far away from large masses to effectively diminish e.g. earth's gravity though, no?

>It's the same principle that allows specialized airplanes to create the sensation of weightlessness, while very-much in almost Earth-surface gravity.

Yes, but I was confused because space offers also regular diminished gravity, and we also have the example of the astronauts on the moon, where gravity was much much smaller.

But I should have guessed that at the height ISS is it's too little to actually reduce gravity at any substantial way, and it's all the effect of the orbit/free fall.


The gravity is there, thats what keeps the ISS in orbit. However the gravity acts on everything in the ISS the same, so there is no relative acceleration in the ISS. A cosmonaut who is not touching anything and not moving relative to the walls will thus stay not touching anything, yet at the same time will still be accelerating towards the earth.


cool, I hadn't seen that link before. thanks.


You welcome!

And you welcome to upvote me, since no matter what I say, a few of HN moderators will continue to be down-voting my postings.

Oh well...


Is that what is happening? I was struggling to see a possible reason for why your post was being voted down, and unless your original post was modified, there are not many other explanations (unless people don't understand how gravity/orbits work).

I would be very disappointed if members of the HN community are voting down your posts because of who you are, rather than the content. I'd like to think we're above that sort of petty behaviour. If it were were moderators abusing their positions...


Yeah I have no idea why your parent post got down voted. Why do you say HN mods downvote you?


Seriously? "Get the latest Flash player to view this content". Wow, just wow.

2018 is almost 3/4 done, and we still have sites with Flash.


I guess they're too busy building boring old space stations.


That's why you staff that stuff out.


I wonder what the procedure to locate the leak was.


You spray soapy water all over the outside of the module and watch for any spots that start bubbling.


Nah, you spray soapy water all over the inside of the module and watch where it egresses.


They use an ultrasonic detector that can hear the sound of gas being forced through a small hole.


I've seen several of these "F-35 is a failure" articles over the past few years, and I have a new theory about it.

Making the opposition think you're weak is a strategy. Straight from Sun Tzu. Negative press propaganda is a tool in itself.


Would the leak be enough to significantly change the trajectory of the station such that it needs correction?

Surely the force of the leak is very small compared to the size of the station, but if it had been leaking for a while the change could add up.


I've heard that the whole construction up there has been getting leakier over time. I wonder what exactly the threshold is these days to constitute a "slow leak"...


>I've heard that the whole construction up there has been getting leakier over time.

Obviously either that's false or the threshold is pretty damn high, since they have people in there for months on end...


Enough to register on sensors, not enough to trigger an immediate evacuation?


Even this 1.5mm hole was so small that they didn't bother to wake anyone up, and instead waited until the next workday.


"the hole is covered using Alexander Gerst's finger for now" - https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/9bi49u/the_iss_is_cu...


Any word on when the Dutch are going to offer him honorary citizenship?


Sorry, can you explain the joke?



A rough calculation of how much it'd hurt (or not): Atmospheric pressure is 10.1N/cm^2, or 0.1N/mm^2. The hole is 2mm diameter, or ~3mm^2 in area, so the force over that area would be ~0.3N or roughly 30 grams.

It's not a lot of force. I'd be more worried about my skin sublimating, however.


I feel like they'll take a little anti-freezer burn over suffocation.

If only they had an inanimate carbon rod to block the hole!


Are they still taking duct tape up there with them?

https://www.nasa.gov/image-feature/duct-tape-saves-the-day


Apparently they have already used kapton tape on the hole.


"In Rod We Trust"


I'll let someone else have the fun doing the math, but I would guess his heat radiation (convection and conduction with vacuum are going to be negligible) would be on the order of milliwatts, which'll take an hour or so to change the temperature of 10g of skin by 1°


My guess is that he has some kind of glove on.


There's not many people that can say that their finger was in "direct contact" with space.


Does this mean water is rushing into the space (water) craft?


...perhaps a layer of self assembling/repairing nanoskin?...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S167265291...

...or somthing similar


yup bad idea alright but i stick by it... maybe someone has a better or more germane solution than relying on an astronaut to find a leak and patch it up by hand, but the idea of preemptively mitigating leaks sounds better than waiting for a problem then correcting if it can be found...


i guess its a really bad idea :-D




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