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You "currently" have a drought, but otherwise you have plenty of water, so a desalination plant isn't a wise investment (yet).

Also keep in mind that these are energy spikes that cause negative prices, whereas most industrial uses need a constant and even supply. These spikes are countered by periods of little to no energy.

This is the biggest problem with (most) renewables, they cannot entirely replace coal or nuclear energy for that reason. Energy storage (at cost) is an unsolved problem.




> Energy storage (at cost) is an unsolved problem.

Super-true. It's actually pretty fascinating how it's currently done in the grid; storage of energy is often done by converting it (at significant efficiency loss) to a mechanical format.

Those formats can get very creative---traditional is "pump a bunch of water uphill into an artificial reservoir," but in areas where big dry mines are available, capping the mine and pressurizing the air inside is also used, which feels super-weird but apparently works?



I've never heard of this before and it sounds really cool. CAES on Wikipedia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressed_air_energy_storag... UK project: https://www.storelectric.com/technology/


Take for example UKs wind energy input, which is charted here: http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/ (might need to zoom in a bit)

The periods of "little to no energy" take up less time than periods of "more than little". Such periods are not as your phrase suggested, the norm broken up by occasional spikes.

Total energy supply and demand is never constant or even, it varies throughout days, weeks and seasons. That variation has always had to be accommodated.

Even without more storage (hydro, battery, future??) the grid can use almost all of the input which renewables can throw at it, and use existing plants to fill in gaps.

But there will be more storage, and long range transmission lines, better solar panels, batteries and windturbines. There is no major unsolved problem here, like nuclear fusion or Mars habitation has, its just a matter of mobilizing with existing technology. A matter which has been politically delayed for too long...


Overbuilding renewable capacity can significantly reduce the needed storage capacity, so the issue will probably get more pronounced rather than better with time.


They will slowly eat away at base loads and lower costs.

In the meantime, you address marginal demand at a lower cost.




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