Would you mind making it public, as you did with the Series AA documents (http://ycombinator.com/seriesaa.html)?

Weeks? Jesus, do things really move that much faster in the valley? Even the hot startups in our area (Waterloo, Ontario) take months at minimum to raise a round. Probably the biggest factor is just that there aren't all that many active investors.

We were highly organized about how we approached VCs and we had prepared well before the first meeting, but ultimately it came down to one partner at USVP clicking with the idea and running with it. They called us back for a second meeting and gave us a term sheet.

Generally it takes at least two months.

A lot of the guys attending Hackers and Founders aren't quite so luck. If you're starting from scratch and going from two guys in a garage, through, getting introductions and meetings with individual angels, and raising a round that way, I it tends to take a lot longer than a couple of weeks. That is, if you are able to raise money at all.

At least that's my birds eye view from the guys attending Hackers and Founders.

Granted we're doing pretty well, but my god has it been brutal. And not the good kind of brutal - as in building the product and finding customers - the bad kind of brutal, where you lose good developers because no one wants to live in friggin' Waterloo, and there's maybe 10 active investors in the whole damn city (and we already have 3 of them!)

A convertible note is a loan that can be paid back in stock at a later date at an agreed upon price under agreed upon conditions. So if the company fails then the investor is a creditor who gets a chance to get some of the investment out. And if it succeeds then the investor stands to gain from the growth in value of the company.

The key feature from the founder's point of view is that you can effectively sell off any fraction of the company you still own at any price whenever you want this way. And you can sell to different investors at very different prices. Furthermore this type of deal is very good for smaller investments.

This is replacing the idea of a funding round where a bunch of investors put in money into a pool, decide what the company is worth, then trade their money for a portion of the ownership. The investors then divide up those shares evenly according to money invested.

The key problem with that type of funding round is that many investors would hold back until they knew that people whose judgment they trust were investing, then they'd buy a piece of the round. This forced a lot of work in coordinating a complex deal, and caused investors to be rewarded the same despite having done very different amounts of work in due diligence.

By contrast convertible notes mean that companies can raise money as they go. And it gives companies room to offer different rates to different investors. Which means, for instance, that an investor like Ron Conway might get a much better rate in recognition of the value there is in being in his network, and the fact that his having invested makes other investors more willing to invest. By contrast a random investor who knows nothing and just follows the herd can be offered much worse rates, if they even hear about the possibility before the company has enough money for their needs.

The winners are founders and the best investors. The losers are investors who mainly try to figure out where the herd is going and jump on the bandwagon.

Startups raise money from investors to accelerate their growth into, hopefully, massively profitable businesses and/or massively large acquisitions from big companies.

One particular type of investor that invests in startups is called an angel investor. An angel investor is often an individual human being who is wealthy, frequently as a consequence of successful entrepreneurship. They invest anywhere from $25,000 to $250,000 or so.

Fundraising is painful, and requires a lot of time and focus from startup founders. To mitigate the pain, it is often structured in terms of "rounds", where the startup goes out to raise a particular large sum of money all at once. For an angel round, let's say that could be a million dollars. Clearly we're going to need to piece together contributions from a few angels here.

Traditionally, one angel has been the "lead" angel, who handles the bulk of the organizational issues for the investors. The rest just sit by their phone and write checks when required. (Slight exaggeration.) Investors are often skittish, and they require social proof to invest in companies, so you often hear them say something like a) they're not willing to invest in you but b) they are willing to invest in you if everybody else does. This leads to deadlocks as a group of investors, who all would invest in the company if they company were able to raise investment, fail to invest in the company because it cannot raise investment.

Startup founders are, understandably, frustrated by this.

One item of particular interest in investing is the valuation of the company. This gets into heady math, but the core idea is simple: if we agree that the company is worth $100 at this instant in time (the "pre-money valuation"), and you want to invest $100, then right after the company receives your investment, the company is worth $200 (the "post-money valuation"). Since you paid $100, you should own half the company.

Traditionally, the company has exactly one pre-money valuation (which is decided solely by negotiation, and bears little if any relation to what disinterested outside observers could perceive about the company). All investors receive slices in the company awarded in direct proportion to the amount of money they invest. Two investors investing the same amount of money receive the same sized slice of the company. This can be written as "they invested at the same valuation."

The thesis of PG's essay is that allowing investors to invest at the same valuation is not advantageous to the startup. Instead, by offering a discount to valuation for moving quickly, you can convince investors to commit to the deal early, thus starting the stampede from the hesitant investors who were waiting to see social proof.

For example, take the company from earlier. We said it was worth $100 prior to receiving investing, but that is not tied to objective reality. Say instead we'll agree that it is worth $80... but only with respect to the 1st investor. He commits $20. $80 + $20 = $100, so he gets $20 / $100 = 20% of the company for $20, or $1 = 1%. This convinces a second investor to invest. He says "Can I get 20% for $20, too?" Not so fast, buddy, where were you yesterday? The company isn't worth $80 any more. We think it is worth $105 now. (Did we just get through saying $100? Yes. But valuations are not connected to objective reality.) So you get $20 / ($105 + $20) = 16% of the company for your $20. Think that is fair? You do? OK, done.

This continues a few times. The startup raises money -- possibly more money, depending on how much the angels want in -- with less hassle for the founders.

We've been talking about just dollars so far, and alluding to control of the company as if it were equity like stocks, but there is a mechanism called "convertible notes" at play here. A convertible note is the result of a torrid affair between a loan and an equity instrument. It looks a bit like Mom and a bit like Dad. Like a loan, it charges interest: typically something fairly modest like 6 to 8%, much less than a credit card.

The tricky thing about convertible notes is that they convert into partial ownership of the company at a defined event, most typically at the next round of VC funding or at the sale of the company. So, instead of the first investor getting $20 = 20% of the company, he loans the company $20 in exchange for a promise like this: "You owe me $20, with interest. Don't worry about paying me back right now. Instead, next time you raise money or sell the company, we're going to pretend that I'm either investing with the other guy or selling with you. The portion of the company which I buy or sell will be based on complicated magic to protect both your interests and my interests. If you want to sweeten the deal for me, sweeten the magic."

Do we understand why this arrangement works for both parties? It incentivizes investors to commit early, which lets startups raise more money with less pain. Because startups are in the driver's seat, it also lets them avoid collusion among investors ("We decided we'd all invest in you, but we don't think the company is worth $100. We think it is worth $50. Yeah, that has no basis in objective reality, but objective reality is that your company is worth $0 without the $100 in our collective pockets. What is it going to be? Give up 2/3 of the company, or go broke and get nothing."

OK, back to complicated magic. When the company takes outside investment, the convertible notes magically convert into stock, based on a) the valuation the company receives for the investment round b) a negotiated discount to the valuation, to reward the angel investor for his early faith in the company, and c) possibly, a valuation cap.

For example, continuing with our "low numbers make math comprehensible" startup, let's say it goes on a few months and is then raising a series A round, which basically means "the first time we got money from VCs". We'll say the VC and startup negotiate and agree that the company is worth $500 today, the VC is investing $250, ergo the VC gets a third of the company.

How much does our first $20 angel investor get? Well, he gets to participate like he was investing $20 today, plus he gets a discount to the valuation. So instead of getting $20 / $750 = 2.67% of the company, maybe he got a 20% discount to the valuation, so he gets $20 / (.8 * $750) = 3.33% of the company. (We're ignoring the effect of interest here for simplicity, but he probably effectively has $21 and change invested by now in real life.)

After this is over, the convertible note is gone, and our angel investors are left with just shares (partial ownership of the company), which they probably hold until the company either goes IPO or gets bought by someone. So if the company later gets bought for $2,000 by Google, our intrepid angel investor makes $66 on his $20 investment.

We haven't discussed valuation caps yet. Valuation caps are intended to prevent the startup dragging its feet on raising money, thus building up lots of worth in the company, and then the angel investor getting cheesed. For example, if they had just grown through revenues for a year or two, they might be raising money at a valuation of $1,250. In that case, $20 only buys you 2% of the company (remember, he gets a 20% discount : $20 / (.8 * $1250) = 2%), which the angel investor might think doesn't adequately compensate him for the risk he took on betting on a small, unproven thing several years before. So we make him a deal: he gets to invest his $20 at the same terms as the VCs do if, and only if, the valuation is less than $750. If it is more than $750, for him and only him, we pretend it was $750 instead. This means that under no circumstances will he walk away with less than $20 / (.8 * $750) = 3.33% of the company, as long as the company goes on to raise further investment. (Obviously, if they fold, he walks away with nothing. Well, technically speaking, with debt owed to him by a company which is bankrupt and likely has no assets to speak of, so essentially nothing.)

I think that just about covers it. Make sense? Anybody feel free to correct me if I botched something here, this is not quite my bag.

I once read that the road to mastery of a subject is:

1. No knowledge and a lack of awareness of the knowledge you need (eg. I don't know how to drive and I don't even know what I need to learn)

2. No knowledge, but conscious of what needs to be learnt (I don't know how to drive but the instructor has told me what I'm going to learn)

3. Knowledge and still conscious of what needed to be learnt to get there (I've learnt how to drive but I have to consciously think about changing gears)

4. Knowledge without awareness of application (Driving is now part of my kinesthetic memory and I can concentrate on my phone calls instead)

The point is - an expert can't teach from level 4. They have to go back to 3. If they can't do that they're still an expert, but a bad teacher.

My brother's like that with chemistry - dare to ask a question and you'll get a PhD level answer. I think pg's like that with finance. So thanks again!

http://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/09/02/new-trends-in-startup-in...

If the company goes bust convertible debt is worth nothing, like equity.

Where's the upside? Convertible debt seems like a strictly worse investment than stock.

Here's the metagame: investing traditionally sucks for founders. Founders at the top tier of companies now have market power. A betting man might predict it is going to start sucking less for them.

Of course, somebody has to explain the game has changed to investors. Preferably, a respected someone with no immediate need of their money, whose favor investors rely on desperately for deal flow. If he is a really good communicator, he might even get them to agree that this is in their interests, since successful startups are cheap at any price and unsuccessful startups are overpriced no matter what the terms were. If he can credibly claim to represent mostly successful startups, well then, no harm to investors.

whistles

Or it's still just easier to sit and wait for startups to fall in their mouths, accepting whatever terms they might ask?

You're right though. It's the corollary of startups moving to SF because that's where the investors are.

Not entirely true. Convertible debt is subordinated debt, which means that you don't get the first choice of pickings in bankruptcy court. But you are a creditor, and so there is a possibility of getting some money returned from bankruptcy proceedings.

Where's the upside? Convertible debt seems like a strictly worse investment than stock.

Paul Graham's answer is that convertible debt is worse for the investor but better for the founder. Therefore when founders have power they will choose convertible debt, and the upside for the investor is that they have the option to participate in a potentially profitable deal that otherwise they couldn't.

If pg's theory is correct then entrepreneurs with power should choose convertible debt, and investors should express a preference for equity. And indeed it is not hard to find articles like http://www.avc.com/a_vc/2010/08/some-thoughts-on-convertible... where investors make it clear that they don't like convertible debt, and try to convince entrepreneurs that they shouldn't either. (Note, when you're negotiating with someone who is trying to convince you of what you should think, you don't have to look hard for a hidden agenda.)

In abstract theory, the extent to which investors don't like convertible debt should be reflected in their offering worse terms on convertible debt deals. Bias the terms enough, and the investor should become indifferent. However my reading of pg's observation is that different terms are being offered to different investors. So the parallel trend is that a few top angels potentially get better terms than the old equity deals, but most angels get worse terms. Which makes most of the angels even less happy.

As confirmation I note that http://www.sethlevine.com/wp/2010/08/has-convertible-debt-wo... raises the experience of an anonymous super-angel and says a year ago these caps “approximated what I’d pay in equity” that they’re now “33% higher than what I’d normally agree to pay now.”

First, convertible notes help offer the first investors cheaper price. Investors that come later will pay more because it's easier and less risky to invest in something that other people have already invested in.

Second, the startup can use convertible notes to raise money more gradually. It used to be that they don't know how much they need and investors don't want to borrow large sums of money to early startups. Now the startups can more easily raise smaller amounts until they become credible enough and actually need to raise larger amounts.

http://www.khanacademy.org/video/raising-money-for-a-startup

http://www.khanacademy.org/#Venture Capital and Capital Markets

I understood all of it since I had watched these videos for the past 2 days.

Anyone know what the legal ramifications are for this? I'm trying to figure this out as we may be raising money in the near future.

Thanks again. I really appreciate it.

This generally happens either in track racing (where they have a small oval track to race around) or in small groups. Usually the track, though - in the small group, the guys who are not good sprinters will try and take off before things get too slow. If there's a big group, there'll be guys working to pull their sprinter to the line going as fast as possible.

Tactics in road bike racing can be quite complex and are part of what make the sport more interesting than a simple contest of athletic ability.

"Bolder investors will now get rewarded with with lower prices"

BTW I think http://www.kickstarter.com/ is what you described.

As far as I know Poland is place to look if you need bigger money. If money really is the only reason not to make your own startup.

It's simple, fast and allows investors to measure their risk.

I believe it's good for the startup as well because it really keeps you focused on what's important to most startups - finding product/market fit.

If you don't have "extra" money you don't go off on tangents and you stay focused on finding the customer that will pay for your product or service.

The faster you find this, the faster your value goes up and the cheaper the next round of capital is.

How often does the valuation cap actually prove relevant? (I'd thought they were picked to handle outlier successes; a healthy company might still do its first formal round below any caps.)

Does having many different caps make the next equity round any more complicated?