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As far as I'm concerned, I'd rather have no app at all (and use an alternative) than have an Electron app suck users away from the potential native alternative.



So don't use it and use the web version. A potential native app is of no interest to me compared to an actual full featured Electron app.


In some alternate reality, reasonable resource usage is considered a feature.

Meanwhile, in our universe, it's somehow considered reasonable to expend nearly six gigawatts (= 51 TWh per year) on a number-guessing game that will totally revolutionize global finance some day.


Resource usage in this reality will only become reasonable when there will be a noticeable penalty involved in unreasonable usage, but I guess it boils down to what you define as reasonable: If a noticeable penalty is measured by the end user then - sorry, enough users just don't care, which enables this technology to continue to gain popularity. If there was a law that companies need to pay a percentage of the energy their applications use then you'd quickly see everybody moving not only to native apps, but to the most efficient native apps.

In the meantime, the invisible hand is doing it's thing. Time will tell what it's thing will look like.


I think a brief look at the wiki page for 'Anthropocene' tells us exactly what the invisible hand is up to.


If the Electron app exists, there's a lot less incentive to write the native one.


See Slack. If Slack were still some plucky startup, I can understand it using Electron. But it's been around for a while now, and a more performant native application doesn't seem to be coming anytime soon.


Skype for a long time only had an outdated application on Linux. Now that MS converted it to Electron, it's available and regularly updated. The truth is, even for huge companies like Microsoft, the cost of doing a Linux-specific app is not worth it given the small user base, but with Electron they get this for free so they do it.

This is even more true for resource-limited open source projects, as cross-platform gui-based ones are difficult to get right, but Electron makes that easier.


Skype for a long time only had an outdated application on Linux. Now that MS converted it to Electron, it's available and regularly updated.

And now Mac users get the same terrible Electron app. The problem is that companies are not just making Electron apps for Linux users. They are replacing native well-integrated Mac and Windows applications by Electron apps (Skype) or do not consider writing native apps (Slack).

So, we had nicely integrated applications with Automator workflows, consistent shortcuts, consistent look and consistent feel. And we are replacing them by things that do not fit into the platform at all. No thanks.


Now I've heard it all - a company with a seven hundred billion dollar market cap can't afford it. Come on. They can absolutely afford to do native Windows / MacOS / Linux cross platform. They're lazy/don't want to.


> Now I've heard it all - a company with a seven hundred billion dollar market cap can't afford it. Come on. They can absolutely afford to do native Windows / MacOS / Linux cross platform. They're lazy/don't want to.

That’s a straw man argument. The parent said that Linux development might not be worth the cost. They didn’t say anything about the ability to pay.


So we, linux users, actively promoting alternatives for Skype, to increase cost of ignoring us.

«Team, M$ killed Skype for linux, I cannot use it anymore, let switch to something else, like Slack.»


They can afford it. They can also afford to put a man on the moon, but it isn't necessarily financially reasonable for them to do so. Think of Microsoft as a collection of teams, each team can't afford to spend "Microsoft" money on its project unless its strategically important. The fact that we don't have native app probably indicates that Microsoft thinks Skype is past its peak of popularity. Thinking of many competing products I understand why.


They can do it but if it's not profitable, they won't. It's not being lazy, it's being smart in the capitalist sense.


I'm fine with that, just call it like it is. This is what Microsoft truly thinks of developing a 1st class open-source solution - not worth their time because it's not profitable enough. So they'll give you a second class solution with the assumption you'd rather have that then nothing.


Skype used to have a small, snappy and useful app for Linux. Now that MS converted it to Electron, I no longer use it. Qt makes multiplatform apps trivial. Even I, as a hobbyist free software developer, can provide binaries for Linux, Windows and Mac.


A lot of people, myself included, actually preferred the Linux version of Skype.

But to be honest, I'd rather have no GUI app on Mac/Linux at all than have it basically be a requirement to waste resources on Slack or whatever other crap and to have developer energy tied up in an editor as shitty as Atom.


I'm working on a native client for Slack, Skype, Twitter etc.

It's only 90 KB (!)

https://eul.im


How you do this? Probably some of us could guess, but maybe will help people that only know electron :)


Cocoa on macOS, WinAPI on Windows, GTK on Linux.


Is this the one that uses OpenGL or something to render everything (ie nonnative text controls etc)?


Not any more. Now it uses native controls.


Oh nice, I need to check this out then!


Is it 90kb installer or complete app? Also what are using to build the interface?


It's the complete app. Cocoa on macos, WinAPI on Windows, GTK on Linux.


Nice joke. Repository is empty. Source archives are empty. Binary release for Linux: 404.


the dev is using github as a bug tracker, not as a place to host code. if thats’s a problem for you feel free not to download it


The dev released source archive for Linux to compile code by yourself. Empty source archive.


This is not true. Nothing has been released for Linux yet.


This is true. Nothing has been released for Linux yet.


Luckily Slack has the IRC and XMPP bridges. can't imagine any other protocols with a wealth of highly performant clients to choose from.

Unlucky for me, my admins refuse to enable the bridges and also won't grant me an API key for use with the weechat slack plugin.

I hate Slack so much. Slow and miserable and unconfigurable and just crashes at least once a month.


Sadly, Slack also happily breaks the protocols in their bridges, e.g. producing invalid IRC usernames. So even though our Slack has the bridge enabled, I can't login to it since it wants me to put a dot in my nick.


If the Electron app exists, often the alternative is no app at all.




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