Hacker News new | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submit login

I didn’t get to the point of owning two BMW motorcycles, and the means to buy a BMW car should I have the desire, by letting $80/year slide. Maybe if one has FU money, but I don’t, and I therefore care.

Let’s flip it around: I’m buying a $42K car (the 428 I’ve had my eye on), and BMW is going to nickel-and-dime me on it?




Yes. That is what they are known for. $42K is just the upfront fee. Consider the next $10K in maintenance to be 'subscription' as well.


But the maintence fee actually DOES something. It replaces parts with physical wear. It’s understandable (if expensive).

The $80/yr... turns a boolean from false to true. One that much cheaper cars give away.

How would you feel if BMW decided to start charging $80/yr for heated seats? There is absolutely no reason that should have a yearly fee attached to it.


BMW is going to nickel-and-dime me on it?

Um, have you looked at the BMW website? Gone to configure a car? The answer is a resounding YES!


On the other hand, will you decide to not buy that 428 (and take your business to... whatever competitor) over $80/year?

Btw it's not like the BMW is the only one charging for the mobile connection in the car... it's basically another cell phone + monthly plan, they are not free.


Btw it's not like the BMW is the only one charging for the mobile connection in the car... it's basically another cell phone + monthly plan, they are not free.

CarPlay is some firmware, and whatever it costs to certify the unit through the Made for iPhone program. After that, everything comes off my phone including any data. IOW, the Pioneer head unit that has CarPlay I bought for one of our cars doesn't even have a slot for a SIM, because the phone takes care of all that.

So once the R&D is paid for, which I'm happy to pay for (with a suitable margin for BMW) once, CarPlay is essentially free of ongoing costs to the manufacturer.


Unfortunately there aren’t really any luxury manufacturers who don’t nickel and dime buyers. Come to think of it, that’s like all cars.

I would like a company that just takes the old Apple approach - you’re going to pay more, but you get everything for two different prices. Now even Apple has lower prices and then extra for stuff.

I thought Tesla would be this cool company, but they mega upcharge you. My friend signed up for the “35k” model and got $15k in options, one is entirely software based.


Yes. Because there are other manufacturers out there that won't make me feel nickel and dimed.


> I’m buying a $42K car (the 428 I’ve had my eye on), and BMW is going to nickel-and-dime me on it?

A $40K car loan at 60 months is $600/month.

You could have got a Honda or Toyota for half that amount with the same features but without the prestige of owning a BMW.

Pay to play.


No Honda or Toyota is going to drive anywhere near as well as the equivalent BMW. Even considering modern BMWs.

Pay to play.


Jeeps and Porsches are like that. Everything's an option!




Consider applying for YC's Spring batch! Applications are open till Feb 11.

Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: