Pardon my french, but that's such bullshit. Everyone who doesn't like to pay taxes has a noble excuse like yours. Sometimes they oppose to taxes being used to fund the arts, even though it's such a minuscule slice of the total pie as to be barely visible. Other times it's something else that they feel is frivolous or opposed to by some principle or other. The thing is however, that the nature of public spending is such that there is always something which we as private citizens would prefer not to pay for, if given the choice.

People with a libertarian bend tend to think of tax money being spent inefficiently as simply being wasted. But money spent by the government doesn't just disappear after it has been spent. It ends back in the pockets of the citizens! In the worst case scenario, it is thus simply being redistributed. In the best case scenario, it buys society something valuable (universal healthcare, say, or public education) along the way.

Money doesn't disappear, but resources (labor, natural resources) do. Money is just a proxy for resources, so it is valid to say that money can be "wasted", even if it flows into the pockets of workers – for every unit of money spent, there is an opportunity cost.

> In the worst case scenario, it is thus simply being redistributed.

That is not the worst case scenario. The worst case scenario is that resources are used up with little or nothing constructive to show for it. I disagree with many libertarian opinions, but it is not unreasonable to worry about wasteful government spending.

Are they now? It used to be true in the east bloc countries when they were all communist, but it's not remotely true in today's Germany where OP lives.

Having experienced living in numerous countries i can safely say that taxes are often (not always) poorly spent in Europe

People say that, and I hear: Taxes are not spent the way I would spend them, if I were in power.

when i see public sector inefficiencies on the scale that they exist in Europe

Please be specific about which inefficiencies your are referring to.

European countries are doing very well on the list of riches countries in the world as measured in GDP per capita. That would be quite surprising if their large public sector really were so horribly inefficient.

What do GDP and government efficiency have to do with each other?

Regarding social welfare I don't know anywhere that's doing it well enough to be considered a success. We should be able to provide housing and food for 100% of the people 100% of the time. For the edge cases that fall through mental health care should be provided for as long as necessary.

Not to want to seem like a downer on Europe the things I think they do exceptionally well includes investing in education, while they are also OK on the healthcare front (personally I'm a huge fan of the NHS model and would prefer if it was more widely adopted).

Housing is badly managed as is support for cash strapped entrepreneurs. The taxes nearly broke us when we started the last business in Berlin. In Ireland there is (the last time I checked) a possibility of a 2 year tax hiatus for new businesses in certain circumstances. In general these kind of incentives could do wonders for entrepreneurialism and the potential knock-on upward mobility it can bring.

Over here we pay a lot and don't get nearly enough in return. The effect of this is a growing libertarian political scene.

I'm going to assume you are french, and invite you to come to Spain, where we have a flamboyant highspeed railroad service in which there's not a single line that covers costs (not even Madrid-Barcelona). And guess what, we keep throwing money to that thing.

As for "money not disappearing", you are falling for the "parable of the broken window". Wikipedia has a much better explanation for it.

Once you're done with that, I suggest you to look at how 10 years ago Spain redid all it's public walkways (that were mostly ok) to "improve the economy". It was a massive waste of resources.

What if you let go of the notion that public transportation must be profitable? I don't know anything about the railroad service of which you speak, but I find it incredible if the cost of running it is more than the value it creates (although I concede that it's possible in principle). Do you know what else most societies keep throwing taxpayer money at? Roads. Yet you don't find very many people having a hard time accepting that the cost of building roads exceeds the value created by doing so.

As for "money not disappearing", you are falling for the "parable of the broken window".

I don't know what you mean by this.

Wikipedia has a much better explanation for it.

I'm sure they do.

Once you're done with that

I have this principle which is that if you can't or won't make the argument, I'm not going to go elsewhere and read someone else make it for you.

The only time that wasn't true in the USA was before income started being taxed.

If you do the math, the only tax which is not destructive to working people is taxing commerce.

That's the way the US federal government was funded when free enterprise was more available to a greaater percentage of citizens. Switching over to income taxes shifted the burden dramatically from the powerful to the relatively powerless. What more effectie way was there at the time to keep down the first freeborn decendandts of slaves after bondage ended?

The most prominent feature of taxing income is its huge damping effect on upward mobility.

That's OK, the ones who instituted income tax to begin with did so because as far as they were concerned enough citizens had moved up already, especially from the very bottom.

That's the most important consequence.

This is by design.

It's probably best to try and look beyond conventional wisdom when invoking caca del toro.