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The Case Against Reading Everything (thewalrus.ca)
100 points by samclemens on Dec 17, 2017 | hide | past | favorite | 56 comments



I've read a great deal for the last 50 years, but I feel that this gives me little time for fiction. Every time I pick up a fictional work, I know that I'm going to be forgoing hours of reading or thinking about other things. I feel that I have limited time for fiction. Sadly, this causes me to miss out on the joy of reading good fiction.

It's easy to speed read technical material, especially with the benefit of 50 years of doing it--I simply look for the new material that is inevitably mixed with lots of introductory or background material; I really can't read fiction any faster than my normal relaxed, rather ordinary reading speed. Fiction can take so many twists and turns that it's not possible to dash through it without reading every paragraph.

Recently, I've been thinking about revisiting the subject of my undergrad degrees, Mathematics. I just don't know if I really have time in my life to go back and relearn Topology for example. I didn't appreciated (nor respect) it enough to learn it well when I took Topology 45 years ago, now I wish I recalled it.

It's sobering to consider how few kilo-days I've got left. :(


Have you considered audio books? That's the main way I consume fiction these days. I love listening to audio books while doing other things (commuting, cleaning, going on walks, etc). It's a good alternative (or companion) to listening to music or podcasts. Looking at my Audible library I've listened to about 27 books in the past few years (most of them fiction).


Sometimes the fastest way is slow.

You don't need to "read fiction fast" you need to slow down and enjoy it, internalize the universes that are created by it.

Reading fiction allows you to think about non-fiction differently, i.e. you gain new perspectives by also reading non-ficion.

That's at least my experience.


You might enjoy Anathem by Neal Stephenson. It has some hard sci-fi elements inspired by mathematics (orbital mechanics, phase space). Also books by Greg Egan such as Schild's Ladder (graph theory).


I don't think you can learn much from Anathem. Greg Egan's Clockwork Trilogy, though, is a very unique and illuminating perspective on Relativity: "What if we lived in a universe where the space-time metric was Riemannian?"


Yes. I recently mentioned to my partner how many days I have left in the form of sunsets. Not that many when we think about it. You know what, I approach everything with that attitude and make the most of what little time we have. That includes re-reading number theory books in my spare time :).


Probably there is not a way to accept death. Humans forever fight against death. Probably death truly should be scary and offputting, and it’s inevitability drives us to do crazy things like believe it’s ok. We probably should fight death with all the strength we have. It’s one of our evolutionary imperatives!


Of all the reasons to delay death, an argument on grounds of an "evolutionary imperative" has got to be the weakest.

The value of life is not in its quantity alone, but in $\int_{birth}^{death} quality \: dt$. If life is extended without due diligence to improving quality of life for humans and indeed all sentient beings, we are ultimately doing a disservice to our fellow humans.


Why is that a weak argument? And don't you think its rude and unnecessary (trolly?) not only to say its weak but its literally the weakest possible? What other purposes do we have in life besides those given to us by evolution? All other purposes surely are rooted in something ephemeral or fantastical. Dreams not truths.


It's a weak argument because we have entered a fundamentally different phase of our evolution, from that steered by our environment to that steered by ourselves. Our evolutionary drives incite us to eat meat because it was scarce (but now we have farms), they incite us to view faces different than ours as fundamentally other (though tribalism is obsolete and we recognize everyone as human). There is no good reason to follow evolutionary imperatives because we now understand our own impact on our destiny and have the means to plan for and steer it.

It is the weakest because there are only a few good arguments for life extension, and all of them are better (but not by much) except for the "because we can" people.

Always when introducing these "benefits" to society we must carefully weigh and consider the way they will shape how human lives are led and experienced. And nothing good can come of extending life if there is no corresponding marked increase in quality of life for everyone who may be affected--and I don't just mean statistics like access to healthcare and food, but real, perceived happiness of individuals.

Quick edit to respond to your last point: "truths" in this context hardly mean much. There are very few things you can call objectively true. There are metrics and statistics you can measure but they only explain themselves and any correlations you may assign are spurious at best, and harmful when acted upon without fore- or afterthought.


As `naiyt` said, try audio books. I used to feel the same way as you and then bought a bluetooth receiver that fit into the back of my car stereo and now listen to audiobooks during my morning/afternoon commute. In 2 years I've probably listened to 40/50 books.


My experience as an artist AND a writer (I make comics, it involves both) is that cribbing from one person is plagarism, while cribbing from eight people in the course of a single drawing/paragraph is a Bold, Original Style.

Reading widely has exposed me to new ideas, some of which became favorites. It's also exposed me to a lot of bad writing, which is helpful in building that inner sense that says "this sentence is shit" or "this sentence is amazing". And it's given me a good sense of the clichés of how a plot will progress, and how to balance using them because, well, they're clichés because they work, against doing something different to suit the precise needs of the story, or to surprise readers.

And yes, I have also chased obsessions, too. There's time for both. I've got favorite creators who I've devoured everything they made, and will buy a new work from without needing any review.

Hell, the two key insights that helped me approach the very complicated last third of my dense, weird graphic novel came from re-reading an old favorite (Iain M. Banks's "Use of Weapons") and from watching something way out of my comfort zone (J.C. Staff's "Revolutionary Girl Utena"). It would have been a lot less coherent without the lessons in the power of repetition I learnt from Utena.

Ultimately whatever works for you as a creator is good, but I sure do find that a more broadly-cast net has a lot more interesting things to pick and choose from in it.


The author appears to misunderstand the advice. “Read widely” doesn’t mean “ignore quality”, or “read things you hate”, or “the next book you read should be a different author than the last”. It also doesn’t mean “read everything”.

Meanwhile this author loves advice about semicolons and em-dashes? Okay.


I think the benefit of reading widely if that you start to realize how almost nothing is original. Nearly everything has been done before and done better. Once you realize that you can start carving out a piece of original territory as a writer. A writer without that perspective is inevitably going to write low-quality unoriginal books.

Reading widely isn't about reading everything. Any good reader will learn to discriminate between good and bad writing over time, and will inevitably be drawn to books that are worth reading. No man is an island, and no writer is an island either. The whole endeavor of human knowledge is all about being bolstered by the minds that have came before you and adding a little on top of that.


I sympathize, I love reading but I intently skip some books until they have surfaced - I view reading as a monte-carlo localization: read what appear to have the most probable high reward as determined by the prior exploration, but occasionally throw a curveball in there in case you might be missing something that is just that far out. Interestingly, can be applied to many other aspects of one's life.


I have explained utility maximization of reading using monte-carlo visual in the past. I appreciate your comment.


The article doesn't directly address (or takes as read) the ways reading is supposed to make you a better writer. Depth is better than breadth because a deep read is how you internalize how language communicates ideas.

The argument for breadth, especially the kind of breadth that says "read trash as well as classics," assumes at least a deep enough reading to understand how a piece of writing works or doesn't work. Understanding how Dan Brown novels are bad--and how they're good--can be illuminating. The article seems to be arguing that this idea is overrated, and that giving that kind of attention to bad writing (or just many kinds of writing) is counterproductive.

I "read" constantly. I just read this article and many comments here. But I almost never read in a mode that would supposedly improve my writing. The advice to read more in that mode makes sense. Letting all kinds of garbage wash over me uncritically does not.


Sure convinced me, I didn't even read this article.


Isn't the solution to read from a selected list rather than take everything you can get your hands on? That's why people tend to look at year-end, best of lists, especially the ones generated from a wide range of audience.


reading from a selected list, which implied the list is not selected by the reader who uses it, wont allow for real individual exploration, finding ones own unique combination of tastes. thats without considering that most lists generated by large audiences wont include books from ibdependent presses, difficult books, or books that do in fact offer a broader view and different perspective of subject matter. most aggregations result in watered down and untimately forgettable literature; next time you have the opportunity, ask a bookseller (preferably one at an independent bookstore) what they think of the new york times "best sellers"


I think David Bowie said it best -- the only art I'll ever study is stuff that I can steal.

http://tumblr.austinkleon.com/post/726892307/david-bowie-tas...


The advice seems to be for aspiring writers, and I'm glad it is because I'm not one and I enjoy reading too much to limit myself to one subject or author.

Reading wide and reading are complementary, I don't see how one can be a good writer without doing both.


I belong to a neighborhood book club, which means that I read roughly five books a year that somebody else picked. I don't think that this is a bad thing, though often enough my reaction to the book is indifference or even loathing.


Reading everything is bad? Ok, I'll start by not reading this article.


reading everything isn't the goal, its the consequence of an expanding taste and openness to experience. read more, fear not.


The author is being provocative in order to be noticed, and his strategy worked. He could have articulated the same point in another way.

Everyday every reader faces a choice between exploration and exploitation, between reading someone new and strange, or something more written by someone he knows. Both are necessary. If you don't explore, you'll never find the writers you truly love. If you don't exploit, you will never truly know them.

And there's a balance to be struck between the two strategies, a balance that varies over time. "Read widely" could be interpreted as anti-obsession, while "read narrowly" is clearly anti-discovery. But readers need to both discover and obsess, and discovery necessarily comes first.

Guriel doesn't talk about how he discovers the next object of his obsession, he glosses over the discovery phase in order to emphasize the obsession. In a perfect world, we would simply move from one great writer to the next without disappointments or slack time. It doesn't always happen that way.

Some people are born into families, institutions and social circles that will lead them straight to the great writers. The lucky ones have access to a cultural lineage that shows them the breadth and possibility of art. Curation aids their discovery.

Others, like me, will waste many years on pap and not know for years what they're missing. Garcia Marquez spent his adolescence reading stilted poetry before Kafka showed him, as a young man, what prose could do with the first sentence of The Metamorphosis [0], or before Mrs. Dalloway taught him how language could handle time.[1]

But I guess the point is that any given moment we face a tradeoff between exploration and exploitation. We have to choose which is more promising: another volume of our current obsession or taking a risk on an unknown.

In my experience, the obsession always wins, and it also always ends, not because the reader becomes tired of the writer, but because the writer produces a finite body of work, and after we read it all, we're back to blindly groping the shelves.

So long term, we have to find something new, and the real question that's not being addressed here is: What kind of new? Do I move on from one author of mystery novels [action thrillers, Harlequin romances, substitute genre here] to another? Or do I seek out categorically new kinds of pleasure?

Anyone who's read enough knows there is good writing and bad writing in every genre and every national literature, and so your meta-genres become just good or bad writing, no matter what the writing is about. That discovery comes slowly after a lonely slog in the wilderness of mass media, or it comes quickly, when one of your friends presses a book in your hands and says "Read this."

[0] http://petitchou.tumblr.com/post/225168928/various-translati... [1] https://books.google.com/books?id=XJE_CwAAQBAJ&pg=PT11&lpg=P...


And to follow up, obsession can lead to further discovery. If you love an author, you can read every author they loved. Or if you're obsessed with a topic, like Japanese imperialism or Victorian naturalists, that combines exploitation and exploration.


This article is horseshit. I'm a professional writer, and I'll trust Oates and King over whoever this guy is.

"Read widely" isn't some religious dictum. It's more of a religious calling. (Of sorts.) If you love to read, and you love to write, you naturally read all fucking day. Your thirst is unquenchable. Your tastes are varied. So you drink from many different fountains.

You also realize there is no trade off between depth and breadth. It's a false dichotomy. It seems to be manufactured by people who find the act of reading some sort of chore. I do not. I find it the highest pleasure I have ever experienced.

Perhaps there's a difference between being naturally curious and being forced to read broadly. I dunno. I've never had to be forced. I like reading and writing the way many of us like programming. I'm truly sorry if the author does not. Writing's a hell of a shitty way to make a living; I can't imagine what it'd be like if you didn't at least enjoy the sport of it.


>You also realize there is no trade off between depth and breadth. It's a false dichotomy.

It's a tradeoff because of the finite time for reading.

One can reread Shakespeare's 4 tragedies (Hamlet, King Lear, Othello, Macbeth) again for the 10th time (about 8 hours of reading) -- or -- read E.L. James "50 Shades of Grey" for the 1st time (also about ~8 hours of reading).

Some writers may suggest that you read E.L. James because that way, you can mark the checkbox of "read some BDSM material" and hence satisfy the "read more widely" advice. (The "widely" as the blog author interprets it). The blog and his quote of Seamus Heaney disagrees with that and advises to read what one enjoys. It's also ok if one is re-reading an old favorite again instead of unfamiliar writing that's often low quality.

And yes, choosing what to read is a zero-sum game. Mathematically, how could it not be?


No, I'm not literally suggesting people have infinite time on their hands. Rather, what I'm suggesting is that time compresses when you're reading for pleasure. When you reach a certain "level," shall we say, you read so naturally and so widely and so frequently that it is truly astonishing how much you can read in a day.

Then again, I'll continue to caveat all of this by saying that my subjective experience seems increasingly abnormal every time I read someone's advice on how to read (or write). The idea of deliberately practicing a style or a voice is weird to me. I've always written by ear, and I've never thought about it. I've thought about structure, and character, and perspective, and logic, and all of the other elements that go into writing well. But when it comes to voice and style, well, shit, man. You pick it up as you go along, and you learn to trust it. It strengthens, not weakens, with exposure to breadth.

One last time: I'm going to go out on a limb and say that my experience is probably weird.


It's the same with computer science, or any other field. The best, most motivated people will naturally have breadth and depth due to their own voracious curiosity, without thinking about the distinction at all.


What kinds of material do you read? Any recommendations? I'm particularly interested in engrossing fiction, and also non-fiction work with "sticky" ideas that have changed the way you see the world.


For any individual, there must be a breadth vs. depth tradeoff.

However, across individuals, there certainly need not be (and I think that is the intuition). Saying someone "reads for breadth" or "reads for depth" doesn't seem as justified if they read 10x as much as anyone else - relative to others, they "read for both."


>"read some BDSM material"

Emphasis on quotes. Most of that novel is an abusive relationship, from what I hear.


See, what's interesting to me is that the grandparent comment describes "50 Shades" as ~8 hours of reading. The zero-sum argument assumes that reading time is some fixed value for all people. I don't remember how long it took me to read "50 Shades," but it was significantly less than 8 hours, and couldn't have been more than an hour. (I'm not saying that to brag. It takes me a lot longer to do many other things than many other people. My only point is that the author of the article completely ignores throughput variability in his calculus.)


> I don't remember how long it took me to read "50 Shades," [...], and couldn't have been more than an hour.

Based on ~155,000 words[1], that would be reading ~2500 words-per-minute.

Most everyone else reads around ~200wpm to ~400wpm. Reading at 300wpm is considered "fast" for a college-educated adult.

[1] https://novelwordcount.com/2015/04/11/fifty-shades-of-grey-w...


Perhaps the hour mark is hyperbole - I haven’t read these books and have no desire to. But different books have different levels of linguistic complexity, and with simplistic writing I find myself reading at much, much faster rates.

In addition I find that when reading “bad writing” I have a natural tendency to (automatically) skip over long, tortured sentences that seem to be going nowhere. From reputation, “50 Shades” may qualify for that category.

It’s also possible to be both categories at once.


Every time my wife and I go skiing we end up with the same discussion.

My wife wants to try as many pistes as possible I like exploring the same in more depth explore some of the details.

She gets to explore many different pistes I get to explore the details of the same.

The tradeoff is really about perspective but it's not really a tradeoff but just consequence of choices (which is a kind of tradeoff).


> You also realize there is no trade off between depth and breadth. It's a false dichotomy.

Given that we're in a forum where computer science and engineering topics are often discussed, I find it odd that anyone would suggest this.

You have a limited resource (time). Whenever you have a limited resource, there are tradeoffs in how you spend it. Unless exhaustive search is feasible, there is indeed a tradeoff between depth and breadth.


I don't necessarily disagree with your conclusion but your analysis is an oversimplification. It's possible reading broadly across domains results in deeper individual domain expertise by enabling cross-fertilization between the domains. So the relationship between depth and breadth isn't necessarily inverse or linear.

Take the recent solution to the Kadison-Singer problem. A group of relative outsiders with comparatively little mathematics expertise solved a long standing problem using techniques from their own field, computer science. The depth they achieved in math exceeded that of people who focused solely on the math. And similarly they achieved more in their own field by tackling problems from other fields.

Obviously there's a very tight conceptual relationship between those two fields even if that isn't always the case institutionally. But I think you can easily find examples where knowledge from dramatically different domains contributed to some paradigm shift, breakthrough, or other significant achievement.


Depth and breadth, in this case, are not opposite directions on a straight line. They are vectors that only appear oppositional when viewed under specific time constraints. The more prolific a reader you are, the more efficiently you read, and thus your higher throughput dramatically compresses time.

If we're to speak about very specific increments of time and units of reading material -- say, you get to read N books over 1 week -- then sure, the zero-sum argument holds. But a lifetime is so much time, offering so much opportunity to the experienced reader, that time is almost effectively lifted as a constraint.

The only zero-sum quantities in this case are time and number of books. Depth and breadth of subject matter are better described as characterizing subcategories of #_books.


>Depth and breadth, in this case, are not opposite directions on a straight line

humans have limited memory, we are not machines. How many books can you remember, and not just in a vague sense, but lines, tone, structure?

Nabokov made a similar statement as the author claimed that the only good reader is a re-reader. Nobody can genuinely remember more than a few books and be familiar with them, if you read hundreds of books at the end of the year you might as well have read nothing. But every time you reread a great work, you learn something new and free your mind up to discover even more things about it.

The very best musicians will often study their favourite pieces compulsively. They have an intimate relationship with them that others have not.

I am very sympathetic to the message of the author because we seem to be living in an age where people attempt to measure literacy on a scoreboard by counting how much books they've read. Obviously this is as doomed of an attempt as being in a hundred relationships at the same time.

A good friend of mine teaches Russian literature, and when he talks about a book like The Brothers Karamazov he can get so much more out of one book than I get out of reading 50. That is something to me that resembles genuine understanding.


Learning how to find what you will think are "great books", I think, is more important than the raw number of books. Having people that know you well and are good readers themselves can be a great resource. Also, the ability to abandon a long book after an hour of reading can be difficult for some but quite useful if you find your reading time limited.


The point of the article was in encouraging writers to hone in on an individual voice as opposed to being influenced by thousands of competing tones.

Perhaps an analogy to songwriting will make things more clear: how well received are the works of someone who writes rap-funk-metal-folk-electro-bluegrass songs?

It's not that a successful country music songwriter can't listen to and enjoy hip-hop but you'll find they tend mainly to listen to and be influenced by country music.


I think maybe the only way to be a good artist though is to explore the things that resonate with you. If rap-funk-metal-folk-electro-bluegrass speaks to your soul, and creating that music fulfills you, then who’s to say exploring those genres is a mistake? There are other measures of success than recognition.

Austin Kleon puts this especially well in “Steal Like An Artist.” He says that you can cut off some of your passions, and try to focus on one thing, but eventually you will “feel the pain of the phantom limb.”


Neither of us want me to write an essay about Wittgenstein's notion of "meaning through social interactions" and how this applies to artistic value, but I'll summarize it thus: art needs an audience.

Now, given the vast population of the world, I'm sure there are a few people out there who are into bluegrass-rap fusion, but your friends, family and neighbors are probably not going to get much out of it.

So who do you want to make art for? Who do you want making art for you? Random strangers peicing together art from fragments of digital audio they stumble across while surfing on an endless stream of information?


I think ultimately we’re going to go back and forth about an unanswerable question: what fulfills people? You can’t answer it for anyone else. One artist will need the audience as a foil; another will be perfectly happy to toil away in obscurity. To my mind the best advice is “try a lot of things and see what feels right to you; don’t be dogmatic about your approach until you have a very high level of confidence based on experience.” Beyond that I’m just not sure this is a question with a meaningful answer.


This is the solipsistic perspective of someone floating in the ocean, looking in only one direction and sure they are alone, sure they are surrounded by nothing but an endless expanse, completely unaware that they are just a few hundred feet from the shoreline that lies behind them.

The answer is not different, it is the same for EVERYONE! Turn around and swim back to land!


Recognizing that people are unique does not immediately equate to solipsism. That would be like me saying that recognizing any kind of commonality immediately implies collectivism.


Just as a reference, Gangstagrass already has 18 scheduled live shows for the next five months :)


I can't see why a bluegrass songwriter wouldn't benefit from learning more about rap, funk, metal; bringing a stronger context to their understanding of their own genre (which is sometimes an arbitrary delineation) and perhaps some techniques.

> It's not that a successful country music songwriter can't listen to and enjoy hip-hop but you'll find they tend mainly to listen to and be influenced by country music.

Without any examples for or to the contrary, I'm not convinced this is true.

> The point of the article was in encouraging writers to hone in on an individual voice as opposed to being influenced by thousands of competing tones.

I think both extremes are harmful. But my experience comes from dabbling in Jazz music of all sorts; 'Jazz fusion' is such a broad moniker that it extends from funk to rock to swing to rap.


> Without any examples for or to the contrary, I'm not convinced this is true.

There are two volumes of Songwriters on Songwriting and I guess I could introduce you to all my songwriting buddies if you're so inclined.


While I don't disagree with the author on his points, I find them premised on faulty logic. His thesis assumes that depth and breadth are zero-sum pursuits. I suppose they are if time and energy are limiting factors, but to those who read and write for the love of the game, those limits are lifted.

When it comes time to settle down on a voice and hone your craft, sure, I would never recommend you switch up your style for the hell of it. But if you want to read widely, and if doing so refines your style, great. Go for it. It probably will.

Again, the way the author characterizes this 'problem' is jarringly foreign and antithetical to my own experience. Perhaps I lack the objectivity to see it the way the author does.


> rap-funk-metal-folk-electro-bluegrass songs

That sounds awesome!! Country and metal do nothing for me, but that genre sounds potentially amazing.


Hmm take advice from the greatest author of the last thousand years, Stephen King, or someone who has three books I’ve never heard of?


Not sure why you're down voted, but it's probably for the lack of further description on why not to take the latter author's advice.

Anyhow, i agree with following Steven King as someone to look into for inspiration and advice on writing. The only reason i'm making this comment is because i want to mention something i once read about King that has always stuck with me. That being, that when he ends the last page of a novel, he then writes the first page of his next work right away to avoid ever having a time without some work in progress.




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