Hacker Newsnew | past | comments | ask | show | jobs | submitlogin

Care to name a single example where "right wing organizations have been shut down for far less"?


Anonymous Germany Facebook account with millions of followers.

Einzelfallmap social media accounts that tracked refugee crimes.

Some of their content was debatable, but they were nowhere near the level of indymedia.

Then they put the identitarian movement on a watch list, who have done very little so far in terms of actual crime.


> Anonymous Germany Facebook account with millions of followers.

... which regularly posted conspiracy theories, fake news and distributed hate speech against migrants.

> Einzelfallmap social media accounts that tracked refugee crimes.

...ONLY "refugee" crimes, without a comparison to German crimes this is nothing more than inciting hate.

> Some of their content was debatable, but they were nowhere near the level of indymedia.

It was Twitter and Facebook that shot them down. Private entities, not the government - that's a difference.

> Then they put the identitarian movement on a watch list, who have done very little so far in terms of actual crime.

One IB guy in Berlin nearly ran over a cop with a car. The IB tried obstructing of SAR NGOs, and they were filmed while trying to pirate a speedboat of Open Arms NGO boat. IB activists have committed many crimes, ranging from simple vandalism over shooting with (fake) guns (Martin Sellner in Austria) to attempted murder (the guy with the truck and the police officer).


Thanks for proving my point. None of that is anywhere close to the crimes committed by indymedia users.


None of these were shut down by the government.


Yeah, the government now uses agencies for that. Makes it easier to shift the blame if something goes wrong.


Deutschlandecho would be an example where the state shut down a right-wing page.

Also, there's the continuous effort to ban the right-wing party (NPD).


>Also, there's the continuous effort to ban the right-wing party (NPD).

"Normal" right-wing as in conservative would be CDU and CSU. To quote the Federal Constitutional Court (Bundesverfassungsgericht) [0]

>Die Nationaldemokratische Partei Deutschlands (NPD) vertritt ein auf die Beseitigung der bestehenden freiheitlichen demokratischen Grundordnung gerichtetes politisches Konzept.

The Nationaldemocratic Party Germany (NPD) stands for a political concept aimed at abolishing the free democratic constitutional structure.

[0] https://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/SharedDocs/Pressemit...

edit: fix'd formatting


You mean the NPD which was ruled unconstitutional but too small to be of importance, therefore not outlawed? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/world/europe/german-court...

Horrible.


I'm not fully following on what your point is; My post was primarily intended to be informative of political actions on the other side of extremism.

Also, banning a political party is quite a big hammer, regardless of how important the party itself is.


Do you have any awareness about the laws governing the history of violent extremism in Germany? Theres a reason right wing and far right wing parties face legal scrutiny.


Technically speaking, there's no law governing any history; There's laws governing behavior in the present that arose from events in history. I live in Germany for 12 years by now; I can't claim a lawyer-level knowledge of e.g. §130 StGB, but I have a basic understanding.

What I'm having trouble following is the logic of "the violent extremism on the other side is less bad, because it hasn't led to similarly horrible effects yet".


Continuous, but also decidedly unsuccessful.


This shut down will be just as successful.


Does it matter?

Breaking the law is breaking the law.


It matters because of transparency. Getting rid of some bad organizations.. and then a few that they just don't like. Like, it's easy to say "terror organizations" - and when you look at the actual organizations under that umbrella, there probably is some really bad shit, but there may also be a few that someone just doesn't like. Makes sense?


Not in Germany, but pretty salient: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/09/geert-wilders-...

Literally illegal to call for less immigration.


Literally illegal to call for less immigration.

Not at all.

In that specific hate-inciting speech Geert Wilders was calling for fewer Moroccans. And this is primarily directed towards Dutch people with a Moroccan background who've already live in the Netherlands for decades or are second-generation immigrants. There is virtually no immigration from Morocco, in 2015 approximately 1% of the immigrants arriving in The Netherlands was Moroccan [1].

[1] https://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/publicatie/2016/47/jaarrapport-inte...


So as long as the immigration was in the past, you're not allowed to criticize it?


Criticising past immigration is something different than inciting an audience to chant to reduce the number of Dutch citizens with a specific background.

Most political parties in The Netherlands have talked about the problems of immigration and integration in The Netherlands at least since Pim Fortuyn 15 years ago. Some parties longer (e.g. Frits Bolkenstein of the VVD, who Geert Wilders worked for). So, it is by no means illegal to talk about current or past immigration policies.


You got a few. Satisfied?




Consider applying for YC's Winter 2026 batch! Applications are open till Nov 10

Guidelines | FAQ | Lists | API | Security | Legal | Apply to YC | Contact

Search: