Looks like a lot of HNers hate the concept of advertizing itself. Yet, everyday we have a few articles titled "Show HN" doing exactly the same (they can similarly brainwash you, no?)
"Show HN" is more like a store display. It describes that something is available. Also, front page space is won by upvotes, not sold to the highest bidder (or so I hope).
Isn't a lot of advertising about the same? (e.g. Our new 'improved' product is now available). So if a lot of new product showcases are stopped, how will people know something's available?
In any case, you (by which I mean a general HN reader) are not paying anything to read the articles, so you are the product here too then? So the 'Show HN' are evil too. They can brainwash you to believe <xyz>.js is much better than <abc>.js, even when it's not.
Completely agree with your point. The "Show HN" descriptions, their landing pages, their documentation, their logos etc. are no different from advertising in terms of trying to influence you into trying something out.
I think that "no different" is a stretch here. The way you choose to communicate with someone to achieve an end is important in itself.
For a hyperbolic example, imagine you had a partner who wanted you to lose weight because you'd got fat and found you unattractive as a result. They choose speak kindly to you about how they feel to see whether they can change your behaviour, and own the possibility that you're not interested in what they have to say.
Is this <em>no different</em> to them using some subtly crafted speech (based on their in-depth knowledge of your insecurities, etc.) which creates some shame or self-doubt, whilst not making their real position or motive clear?
Or equally, one of your children's friends wants them to try a new legal high; in case (a) they describe how they find it and what it's like, and in case (b) they use some social pressure about how everyone's into it and it looks cool, etc.
Or you go to your doctor, and she offers you a new drug for your ailment; in the first case she describes the evidence base for it and any potential down-sides in statistical terms you can easily appreciate. In the second, she conjures an image of your ailment worsening progressively until you are a drag on your family and you die resented and alone; this is a possible but unlikely outcome if you leave the ailment untreated.
In all these examples the two paths are no different in terms of someone trying to influence someone into trying something out, but most people would find the first options preferable to the latter.
I think the point is not that all attempts to change someone's mind are manipulation and so completely morally equal, but that some kinds of manipulation are hurtful in themselves either because they are deceptive or because they hurt people.
A show HN post may be trying to manipulate you, but hopefully it is not using deceit or an emotional over-reach to do that.
So my view is, demonstrated by your examples, is you need to use critical thinking and be skeptical in all aspects of life e.g. relationships, work, education, politics, health and especially ads. I don't think anyone goes through life just believing everything they're told.
All communications have an element of truth, bias and maybe manipulation (intentional or not). I don't see how an ad presenting a product in the best possible light (keeping in mind most countries have regulations about ads being misleading which I strongly agree with) is much worse than information encountered from other places. Obviously I'm against manipulative, inaccurate or deceitful ads though.
I mean are you trying to imply most ads are manipulative? Deceptive? Most ads I can think of recently are along the lines of "check out our new product/features" or "our product will save you time and money". I really just don't see what the big deal is.
Show HN posts will make claims about how they'll benefit you and try to charm you with branding. I specifically see trends of apps telling you that their app is "beautiful" for instance which I don't like... Anyway, I don't see anything wrong with people trying to sell their work to you or what you're suppose to do differently.
