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Windows 10 has tons of security patches in it. Yes, it also has some UI changes that are less than great, but, seriously, stop using Windows XP already.



Windows XP is a red herring. No one uses it anymore, and WannaCry didn't even successfully spread from that version of Windows.

Windows 7 is the new holdout, and people aren't eager to swallow 10.


Except in countries that used XP extensively like China. Non-Microsoft parties had to create and release patches that protected against wannacry.


Why? The only reason XP came up was because Microsoft went out of their way to patch it themselves.


Because XP patches only worked on valid licenses. A ton of XP in China is pirated. So Qihoo 360 created custom patches for all those pirated versions of Windows. Weird Alice in Wonderland situation.

https://www.engadget.com/2017/05/15/pirated-windows-china-ru...


So you are just going to ignore the fact that Microsoft abused the security patch channel to automatically "upgrade" people to windows 10?


OS updates should come through the normal security patch channel! That's how OS X does it, and that's how Chrome OS does it.


OS updates should come through the normal security patch channel!

Except when you are "updated" from a full, paid version to a spyware/adware-ridden version.

Seriously: I think Windows 10 is great, technically and usability wise.

But MS need to learn that they can't have it both ways:

Paid xor ads. (I can think of two exception: inside the store app and inside settings for onedrive.)


Still, Microsoft misused the channel. They made it intrusive, misleading and impossible to control more than once.


Well, it's not how most Linux distros do it. If your update has breaking changes, it's not a security update.

There is no good reason to excuse Microsoft for maliciously disguising updates as security patches in order to manipulate the non tech-savvy into switching to their new unprecedentedly invasive OS. Especially when, as you said, the UI is worse.

The entire UX of Windows 10 is worse, every time I have to use it for something I get physical anxiety from claustrophobia.

I really don't like that I have to install untrusted 3rd party software on my computer in order to prevent my operating system from automatically ruining my user experience and spying on me.


Microsoft deserves ALL the blame for people still running XP. They broke so many hardware drivers with the XP->Vista change that people basically got stuck forever.

Then, not having learned their lesson, they pulled similar crap with the Windows 7->Windows 8 transition which pissed people off so badly that they refused to go to Windows 10 and are currently suing Microsoft for attempting to shove it down people's throats.

Insecure old version of Windows are Microsoft's own damn fault.


I recall the driver change was because under XP, drivers ran under kernel privileges.

Moving them out of the kernel is a great engineering decision, infinite backwards compatibility isn't feasible. Sometimes breaking changes are needed.


Drivers still run inside kernel. What was changed in Vista is that the kernel tries to detect when kernel data structures that should be immutable are changed, which some drivers do.

The idea of non-privileged drivers is neat, but in general is not worthwhile because the driver has to somehow access the hardware, which for significant amount of device/platform combinations leads to access to arbitrary memory locations.

Edit: perfect example are GPU drivers, which are for a long time typically composed of small priviledged kernel driver and all the complex logic in userspace. In many cases the interface between these two components could be abused to get code execution in kernel context (in 2k/xp times there was even RCE in kernel context triggered by displaying properly crafted image in IE)


As I recall, the issue they meant to address wasn't security but stability. Apparently a majority of BSODs were caused by faults in the driver taking down the kernel with it.

This means you aren't preventing drivers from having full access. You just need to prevent more unintended side-effects.


And you can do things like give people specific permission to access the kernel when doing the driver install. ie. "This driver does not adhere to Vista driver standards. Do you wish to install as an XP driver?"

Suddenly, people can run that business critical, single, old driver as unsafe while running the other drivers safely.

Alas, some manager at Microsoft decided it was more important to get his numbers up this quarter so he could get his bonus. In so doing, Microsoft orphaned a bunch of people on XP just like they orphaned a bunch of people on VB6.

Microsoft made its own bed; now it has to lie in it.




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