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No, Tesla and Elon have been very clear that there'll be a single central display only that will also display the speed/directions/etc.

Tesla's don't have analogue displays.




Having to look down and over to see the speed seems like a big change from basically every other car on the road.

Is this even within regulations in most places?


Several production cars have a centre speedometer, Minis for one. I've seen digital centered dashtop speedos in other mass market cars too... I just can't recall them at the moment.

I have used a GPS speedo on my screenmounted device for years, and looking down and forwards for my speed seems unnatural now.

You get used to it.


Older Citroen C4 models used to have it, too: https://www.google.ro/search?q=citroen+c4+interior&client=fi...


Check out the Mini or Prius. Both have the primary driver display (like speed) centered away from the driver:

http://imgur.com/a/Z2Z5p


That’s actually false.

The Mini has a tiny LCD screen just above the wheel showing all the same information as the center dash cluster:

http://i.imgur.com/fxa308W.jpg

Specifically, above the wheel you have to see total range, speed, and fuel/battery status.


Which Prius? 2007 had it available in the deep well with a mirrored display over the steering wheel, not in the centre (http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/1f0271de306e45aab983f8c2c6e0f6ad/2...) Later models had either that or a heads up display on the windshield.


My Prius Prime has two speedometers, an on/off HUP in the lower left field of view, and the sort-of-centered display common to all Prius-es.


The display is way closer than you except. It's close enough so you don't really have to look down/side much.

Plus, directions/speed will be shown in the top-left of the screen.


It is not in the EU, and Germany has made it clear that, unless the Model 3 gains any other driver display, it will be banned from European streets.

This will be interesting.


Do Mini's have some other kind of display in germany? Because they have a center mounted dash cluster.


The Mini has a tiny LCD screen just above the wheel showing all the same information as the center dash cluster:

http://i.imgur.com/fxa308W.jpg

Specifically, above the wheel you have to see total range, speed, and fuel/battery status.


Hunh, so I'm assuming then that the prius must have some changes there, or it's just not sold...

As I knew someone that owned a 2012 prius that has literally nothing behind the driver's wheel (along with my wife's old saturn, but I'm almost positive that wasn't sold in europe).

Actually now that i'm thinking about it, it seems about 30% of the cars in my life have had the main dash cluster in the center of the car!


> Hunh, so I'm assuming then that the prius must have some changes there

The Prius has an above-the-wheel driver display (source: I drive one, and have been in every generation of Prius sold in the US, and my wife drives a Prius C) in addition to the center console touchscreen.

It's higher, and nearer the centerline, than the old behind the wheel displays, but that is to allow your eyes to not come as far from the road in looking at it.

That's quite different (in a sense, diametrically opposed) from having the only display be a center-console touchscreen that isn't above the wheel.


Well to be completely honest the screen on the Model 3 [0] looks to be about the same height as the dash cluster on the Prius [1]. Or at least it's close enough that the shorter half of the population won't notice.

But again, either way I'm confident that Tesla is going to be within regulation. They are already getting so much scrutiny/bikeshedding about the center display, I can't imagine them not following the required laws. With so much attention on it, it'd be silly to have it all get fucked up by not having the screen positioned a few inches differently.

[0] https://electrek.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/model-3-interio...

[1] http://ourautoexpert.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/2405-Toy...


> Well to be completely honest the screen on the Model 3 [0] looks to be about the same height as the dash cluster on the Prius [1].

It's not a similar eyeline (it's maybe only a little lower, but also not as far back from the driver; you are looking down toward the wheel not at the road past the wheel to see that display.)

> But again, either way I'm confident that Tesla is going to be within regulation.

"Not in violation of the law" is a pretty low bar, but, yes, I'm quite sure anywhere they actually deliver the Model 3 it will probably clear that bar, at least for obvious things like display position.


> But again, either way I'm confident that Tesla is going to be within regulation. They are already getting so much scrutiny/bikeshedding about the center display, I can't imagine them not following the required laws. With so much attention on it, it'd be silly to have it all get fucked up by not having the screen positioned a few inches differently.

Considering Tesla has actually lobbied to a few European governments to change the law, it seems like they try to attack the problem from that side instead of actually fixing it on the hardware side.


What? There are lots of european cars without driver displays. This is an example from 2003: http://imgur.com/a/AXMNn


The example shown has speedometer and other info on a display above the wheel and on the driver side, which is a driver display. Yes, it's near the centerline, but it's at a place the driver naturally can view it with a very small change in eyeliner from the road (or in peripheral vision while watching the road) not a centered display level with the wheel like the console display on the Model 3.


Now Germany speaks for the rest of the EU countries?


Yes and no. If a car is approved in one EU country, it’s approved in all. If a car is denied in one EU country, it is denied in all.

So Germany could very much block the Tesla Model 3 from EU roads.


>If a car is approved in one EU country, it’s approved in all. If a car is denied in one EU country, it is denied in all.

Huh? How does that work? What happens if Germany denies the Model 3, but France approves it? The EU collapses?


> What happens if Germany denies the Model 3, but France approves it? The EU collapses?

Merkel's enforcers have a stern word with the French administration, who will then cave in. As always.


We like to call them "the provinces".


Have they? I dont remember ever seeing that. Just that there will only be one screen, and everyone assumed all info would be there.




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