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How many times do these results need to be replicated before you'll believe them?

So far the thrust results have been replicated more than the majority of economics and social science research (i.e. more than zero times).




The paper itself details a range of mundane error sources (including thermal expansion) that still haven't been ruled out as the cause of the observed thrust.


It violates the conservation of momentum; so it needs to replicated many many times.


How do you know that? Consider a pretty simple and obviously correct device: an electric engine with an internal rotating shaft + a solar panel to power it, floating in space. The faster it rotates, the higher its acceleration in the gravitational field.


The engine would spin, but it would have 0 velocity unless it sent out something as exhaust.


That's not how general relativity works. Spinning would increase its energy, hence increasing its gravitational pull, hence accelerating faster.


But momentum conservation holds in GR.

I don't know GR, but approximately the Earth would also accelerate faster.


Conservation of momentum only works because the gravitational field itself is supposed to have momentum. Similar to how momentum is conserved for an accelerating paddling boat only if you include the sea. Sea analogy is a good one I think, especially because the gravitational field interacts with itself, like water, contrary to electromagnetic fields.

Conservation laws in general are a quirky thing in GR, see: http://people.bu.edu/gorelik/ES_GG_Conservation_Laws.pdf

or http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2010/02/22/energy-i... for a shorter read

>but approximately the Earth would also accelerate faster.

Well yes, Earth has a stronger gravitational pull because of rotation. On smaller distances rotation effects become even more interesting:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame-dragging


What tablet did god write this law on?


Well, you're right that it's not a mathematical certainty that momentum is always conserved.

But there's such a mountain of evidence for it that we should have a very high bar for claims that it's violated. Thermal effects and measurement error are both likely sources of the discrepancy.

But another reason to be skeptical is that Noether's Theorem tells us that a violation of conservation of momentum is only possible if the laws of physics are not translation invariant, and we should be able to use the violation of conservation of momentum to illustrate a specific instance where physical laws are not translation invariant. That would be Earth-shattering. (But not, strictly speaking, impossible)


... or the law was bypassed, somehow. Also huge news if confirmed


It seems to be that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.


In a tablet way more powerful than the weak evidence that this drive shows


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Thanks for proving my point.


While I agree with your statement I derive the opposite conclusion from it. (I.e. these results are certainly false and you can see what that implies about economics and social science.)


> So far the thrust results have been replicated more than the majority of economics and social science research (i.e. more than zero times).

No, they haven't




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