> Its target demographic, web developers, do not have the same technical training as traditional computer scientists
I think this is the money quote, and the reason why this thread is full of such ill-informed opinions.
I have a degree in CS. I've done systems programming, devops, and mobile before settling on web. Just recently I joined a company of very strong back-end people with a severe dearth of people who have any knowledge or interest about web. The web doesn't have to be that bad -- just for some reason, it's the orphan child """real programmers""" don't work with.
As a Real Programmer who started his career right when the web took off, I can tell you why. At first, web apps were CGI scripts, so back-end only. But most of the jobs were in native applications. At some point you play around with interactive web page, and the DOM is a mess, browsers all behave differently and you give it up in frustration. Swing, Qt, Win32, are all not bad, and act quite predictably. Then you see web apps start coming, but they are slow, and you still have that bad experience from earlier. Then you start reading HN and notice that every six months the new thing changes, and you say, "hm, Swing, Qt, Win32 don't need to change all the time, something about this web app stuff smells like Done Wrong," and you avoid it like the plague. And when you talk to your non-profit friends who are setting up an online store, they are all hiring some guy to do it in WordPress, and it takes 7 seconds to load, 50+ JS files, and 30+ CSS files (I kid you not), and you don't even want to talk shop with that kind of developer.
I think this is the money quote, and the reason why this thread is full of such ill-informed opinions.
I have a degree in CS. I've done systems programming, devops, and mobile before settling on web. Just recently I joined a company of very strong back-end people with a severe dearth of people who have any knowledge or interest about web. The web doesn't have to be that bad -- just for some reason, it's the orphan child """real programmers""" don't work with.