I've gone through too much tonight to bother say anything about your ignorance. But sitting and waiting won't earn anything to anybody. Turkey as a member would be useful to EU. However if we had a popular vote now on whether to bother continue the negotiations, it'd certainly come out no, because the demeaning, hubristic, and unstable approach of the EU in our regards.
Thanks. I couldn't not respond because that was really arrogant of him and I do know many think similarly. Ultimately I am an atheist, so not directly affected by his words, but that stance causes many problems unfortunately.
Turkey's EU negotiations started in AFAIK 1958. My country does not consist of Erdoğan. Let aside membership, if sincerity and welcomeness was shown, fundamentalists wouldn't be able to do more than dwell some mosques here.
Oh so now the EU is at fault for problems in Turkey? This is, what, the 6th coup d'etat in Turkey since the second world war? How do you expect the EU to accept such an unstable country? Turkey has had a problem keeping the secular regime since Ataturk. You are obviously not ready. Islam is obviously not ready to take a backseat and let democracy do its thing. And if Turkey isn't ready, no Islamic country is ready.
It hasn't been possible because the military changes the regime every 10 years. If the EU goes and backs up one guy, this will polarize the next guy. Get your shit together and then ask for help.
Nobody's asking for help, all I said was that it could've been a mutually useful relationship, but it didn't. Also, there are only two actual coups in turkish past, 61 and 80.
I'm sorry, I shouldn't have responded to you, as your arrogant and ignorant attitude was obvious from your initial comment on the thread, and your past comments clearly show that you're tendent to blindly post offensive, low-quality stuff. I won't respond to you any further.
I'm late responding to this, but the two of you broke the HN guidelines badly with this uncivil spat. We've asked you not to do this before, and if you post uncivilly again, we will ban your account.
I'm actually quite sorry about this thread, but HN doesn't give me a defence mechanism against this type of trolling. I couldn't flag, I couldn't downvote. All I could do was to hope that someone would do that or maybe you'd come and detach this, which you did, but as you admit, a bit late (3 days). Or to respond, which I unfortunately did, and I did a bit more than just countering misinformation.
That said, I guess your interventions may be a little useful to the community if you don't use this parent-like, intimidating and threatening manners.
The only arrogant one here is you. You blame the EU for Islam's obvious problems. "If the EU helped us it wouldn't have been like that". No, the EU is not here to help you. The EU is here to help itself. It acts only in self-interest as everybody should. If you can't get your shit together, you have only yourself to blame.
The two of you broke the HN guidelines badly with this uncivil spat. We've asked you not to do this before, and if you post uncivilly again, we will ban your account
