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I think in the west we only see Turkey as Istanbul which happens to be the extremely liberal part of Turkey.

The rest of the country is far more conservative so they don't see the clamping down on various freedoms as being a problem and on top of the Erdogan has actually really done a good job of developing the poorer regions of Turkey which were rife with high unemployments and low prospects. On top of that people believe he's raised Turkey's importance on the world stage.

Another reason why I'm about 90% he'll win now that the opposition political parties have just come out against the coup - which if you know anything about Turkey is HUGE. These parties have literally called for Erdogan to be jailed but right now they're supporting him.

I don't even know what to make of that. I'm shocked.




What I readwas that those parties have said to Not go on the streets, but that erdogan-fans misread that (maybe intentionally) and tweeted about it, and retweeted, etc. Erdogan said to go on the streets.

It is all a mess with propaganda, stress and confusion everywhere


I not sure that's right.

I was talking about HDP who have posted this on their official twitter:

"There is no way other than embracing democratic politics."

Source: https://twitter.com/HDPgenelmerkezi/status/75408082363312537...


If the military takes over, then the opposition parties will loose power as well. It's also in their own interest to oppose to coup.

In fact, anyone who likes democracy should be opposed to it


If you like democracy, you can't exactly be in favor of Erdogan either. Not to mention what will likely happen, if the coup fails.

In the long term, this coup succeeding is probably the best option for democracy.


Indeed. There is a difference between democracy and liberal democracy.


This is not about being a liberal democracy at all.

If voters don't have the opportunity to get a truthful look at the society they live in and the people who would like to be elected, their votes are meaningless.

You need freedom of speech and a free press to get that perspective. A democracy without freedom of speech and a free press is no democracy at all but a facade hiding an authoritarian state.


They came out against the coup once it became obvious that the coup was going to fail.




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