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Sure thing! I won't go too in depth, but I was just talking about this with my wife a few days ago.

My dad came from a family of systemic poverty. Money was something to be spent. Ironically, he was in charge of saving money for our family, which understandably went poorly. He tanked nearly all of our money in the dot com boom.

One of the biggest things that stands out to me in retrospect was how little respect he had for his body, especially as a manual laborer. Rather than trying to preserve the resource that he used to make money, he broke his back (doing absolutely dumb things) twice. At this point he was functionally unable to work, and became a stay at home parent because it was the only option left to him. There was no backup plan. He'd dropped out of high school to go to Vietnam, and hadn't saved money in a safe way in case of a catastrophe -- even after one had already struck. Rather than a safe, well diversified plan, all of our money that was not immediately spent was put into tech stocks. And then the dot com bubble hit.

People who are systemically poor are more likely to be content with a good gig, even if it is not sustainable. They are less likely to hedge against risk in this situation as well.

This showed in other areas as well. For example, he'd lost all of his teeth by 40.

My mother on the other hand was situationally poor -- her father's family had a good bit of money, but he passed away very young leaving her and her two siblings with a single mother, who worked in public schools. My mom pursued a degree in journalism, while her brother went into tech. While in school, she dropped out to become an administrative assistant for a large uranium company that was paying more than she was looking at as a journalism grad.

People who are situationally poor are willing to take low risk opportunities with a good reward (take a job that pays more, leave school -- if it works then that's great, if not then you head back to school with more money as a buffer). They are less likely to make a career out of things that use your body as a resource, as such careers are usually unsustainable.

Upper class people I've met are far more likely to take high risk opportunities, even without a buffer. A decision my wife and I made that I think is a more 'upper class' decision was moving to Seattle without much of a financial buffer and no jobs, because we thought it had a very good chance of being the best payoff for our degrees. It's a decision that has accelerated both of our careers and earnings immensely.

Upper class people network. A lot. While they are born into connections, I'm shocked at how few people (myself included) have not picked up the networking skill.

Upper class people are also more likely to understand that their brain/body is a resource that needs to be taken care of to have personal and economic success. For instance, attitudes towards consumption of media, food, and learning materials is something that is shockingly different.

There's a reason why when you read about the success that upper class people have had, there's usually very little mention of television, and an extreme amount of "i used to read a lot."

I considered myself to be someone who read a lot, and compared to my peers I did, but when I'm hanging out with people who grew up in this culture, I'm simply unable to keep up with the amount of references that they make.

There's more, but this has gone on for longer than I was expecting it to, and of course it's all just my opinions and observations.




A follow-up to this that I thought was profound. I have told this story here before but it really relates. I was once on a train in Europe and lucked into an upgrade to first class. The food car was in the back and I wanted a sandwich, so I walked through business and economy class to get food. In business class, everyone without exception was reading non-fiction, news or working on a laptop. When I walked through economy class, everyone was either watching TV/Netflix, reading magazines or fiction. With one or two exceptions. I thought it was a pretty profound difference that probably alone could explain the inevitable income differences between who was sitting where. I recognize that it makes sense those in business class would work, but... it was Saturday.


>With one or two exceptions.

If you boarded that same train today those one or two exceptions are likely to be in business class.


You got me curious as to what was being read/watched on first class.


Only a few of the fancy private cars but it seemed like people were just hanging out talking to each other.


> that was not immediately spent was put into tech stocks. And then the dot com bubble hit.

This one kills me. It is an absurdly common belief among laymen that investing == stock picking.

E-Trade advertises on Nickelodeon. Vanguard doesn't.


Your story doesn't surprise me. One particularly interesting trend in recent genetics is moving beyond univariate twin studies for examining social outcomes like education, income, or SES in general: GCTA means that we have heritability estimates which can no longer be seriously doubted, bivariate GCTA and twin study genetic correlations are showing that all of these outcomes are related on the genetic level, the large GWASes of education provide polygenic genetic scores which predict life outcomes and can be used in Mendelian randomization to figure out whether family income causes intelligence or vice versa (it's the latter), LD score regression is an even newer technique than GCTA which lets researchers do all of this with just publicly available data (it's tragic how many of the latest studies could've been done back in like 2012, except all the necessary data was siloed in places like 23andMe), and the UK Biobank is providing an enormous cohort which is genotyped and phenotyped along several dimensions and makes it possible to demonstrate how genetic intelligence causes lower BMI, better health, higher income, education, etc. Some interesting links:

- "Genome-Wide Estimates of Heritability for Social Demographic Outcomes" http://www.gwern.net/docs/genetics/2016-domingue.pdf - "Polygenic Influence on Educational Attainment: New Evidence From the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent to Adult Health" http://ero.sagepub.com/content/1/3/2332858415599972, Domingue et al 2015 - "Genetic influence on family socioeconomic status and children's intelligence" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3907681/, Trzaskowski et al 2014 - "Genetic link between family socioeconomic status and children's educational achievement estimated from genome-wide SNPs" http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v21/n3/full/mp20152a.html, Krapohl & Plomin 2016 - "Molecular genetic contributions to socioeconomic status and intelligence", Marioni et al 2014 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289614... - "Molecular genetic contributions to social deprivation and household income in UK Biobank (_n_=112,151" http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/03/09/043000, Hill et al 2016 (correlation graph https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdMobKRXEAEMkmi.jpg:large - "Height, body mass index, and socioeconomic status: Mendelian randomisation study in UK Biobank" http://www.bmj.com/content/352/bmj.i582, Tyrrell et al 2016 - "The Genetics of Success: How Single-Nucleotide Polymorphisms Associated With Educational Attainment Relate to Life-Course Development" http://www.gwern.net/docs/genetics/2016-belsky.pdf, Belsky et al 2016 - "Poverty and Behavior: Are Environmental Measures Nature and Nurture?" http://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/Poverty-and-B..., Rowe & Rodgers 1997 - "Signaling and Productivity in the Private Financial Returns to Schooling" http://paulbingley.com/papers/signals-manuscript.pdf, Bingley et al 2015 (highly unusual design - "Do Jobs Run in Families?" https://research.facebook.com/blog/do-jobs-run-in-families-/ - "Intelligence: Is it the epidemiologists' elusive 'fundamental cause' of social class inequalities in health?" https://pingpong.ki.se/public/pp/public_courses/course07397/..., Gottfredson 2004


"GCTA": Genome-wide complex trait analysis.

"SES": Socioeconomic status, assumed from context.

"GWAS": Genome-wide association study

More: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genome-wide_complex_trait_an...

It really helps to expand acronyms on first use.

Second time you've posted on this. You may know what you're discussing, those of us trying to catch up don't.




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