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An uglier aspect of it is this: although people with 150+ IQs, contrary to the nerd stereotype, usually get along fine socially, they'll virtually never be selected as leaders, and always be outsiders. People usually aren't comfortable with a leader who is that smart.

We evolved in small tribal groups of 20 individuals per generation, so we look to the 90th-95th percentile (6'1, 120 IQ) for leadership, but extremes and "giants" frighten us. 99.5+ percentile is a threat-- possibly some other hominid that is going to eat us.




Bill Clinton is supposedly scary-smart, at least in terms of being quick-witted and able to multitask very effectively. It wouldn't surprise me at all if his IQ were over 150.

Edit: see http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,987883,00.h...

"It's an almost scary mind, that of a multitasking wizard who plays hearts while he talks on the phone with a head of state, who sits through a dense briefing on chemical weapons intently doing a crossword puzzle, only to take reporters' questions hours later and repeat whole sections of the briefing word for word."

See also this page from Robert Novak's autobiography: http://books.google.com/books?id=7o5Cpjkk4qsC&pg=PA547&#...


Sure. The same goes for Barack Obama. And this is why they're facing one hell of a revolt from the morons, who will not accept such people as them for leaders.

There are legitimate reasons to disagree with both Clinton and Obama, but the real problem they face is that they make the dumbs feel bad about themselves. Said dumbs elect manipulative bastards who play to their complex, and said bastards launch ad hominem attacks and make it almost impossible for them to get any work done. This is what the Clinton sex witch-hunt and the modern-day Republican make-Obama-fail-at-all-costs efforts are really about: stickin' it too those smarty-pants lib'ruls.


It must be comfortable to think that those who disagree with you does so because they are intimidated by awesomely intelligent liberals such as your heroes (and perhaps yourself?). Has it ever occurred to you that they might feel the same way about you?


It must be comfortable to think that those who disagree with you does so because they are intimidated by awesomely intelligent liberals such as your heroes (and perhaps yourself?).

I don't think that, but I think anti-intellectualism is a major reason why Clinton and Obama both got mired in ad hominem attacks that made it difficult to get anything done.


That's different than claiming that people with IQs of 150+ "[will] virtually never be selected as leaders, and always be outsiders. People usually aren't comfortable with a leader who is that smart." Regardless of his accomplishments or the obstructions thrown up by Republicans, a _lot_ of people were comfortable having him as a leader.


Does IQ correlate with leadership ability?


Intelligence dedicated to solving abstract or impersonal problems is worthless for a leader. Therefore, the kind of intellectual talents that show up on an IQ test are not very useful. Someone who takes a problem-solving approach to the world will not make a good leader. Someone who takes a problem-solving approach to his parents, friends, classmates, and so forth will do well.

That's because leadership consists in large part of stating and forging a group consensus, perhaps not in that order. A leader rarely suggests a course of action that doesn't immediately make sense to other people. If education and elucidation is required, he does that beforehand. A leader doesn't bother with courses of action that his followers aren't already one little nudge away from accepting, and then he provides that nudge. For this reason, it's best for a leader not to devote too much intelligence to actually solving problems -- he will just come up with useless and distracting ideas. A leader with a lot of credibility can get people to accept a new course of action solely on his own credibility, but if it doesn't work out, he loses a lot of credibility. He mostly needs to stick to courses of action that are credited to other people or which just feel right to his followers.

Leading by surpassing excellence is an invention of propaganda. Only after you already have a lot of power and loyalty can you start manufacturing such a myth.


That's a leader in the popular sense. But if being such a leader means he can't think deeply, then he'll have to rely on the intellectuals to provide him with the deep ideas he needs to lead.

At that point, who's the leader?


Fair point. The creative visionaries are the people who should be leaders in an ideal or even morally acceptable society, but almost never the people who have the capability to grab power.


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It depends how "leadership" is defined.

By and large, I am a strong believer in rule by the smart, although culture is a lot more important than IQ. Probably 20-30% of those in the ruling class have a high enough IQ (125+) to be there but less than 1% have sufficient culture. Paul Wolfowitz and Dick Cheney come to mind as examples. They're so uncultured they probably eat steak with their fingers; that such louts could rise to such high levels of influence is a serious problem. And our society is such an ugly mess because people like them (uncultured people, with ugly minds) rise to power and remake the world in their image.

I think it's also obvious that most business executives are selected for people-pleasing and crude optimizations (next-quarter profits) rather than vision, creativity, and humanity.

The traditional two-tier managerial structure (although excruciatingly flawed and less-than-useless in practice) had the right idea. At one degree above the average (110-125) you have the managers, whom the line workers look to for leadership, but who do not alienate them with their intelligence. At two degrees up (125-145) you have the executives, who can lead and mentor the managers, and whose closer connection to "the metal" gives them a strong voice in the decision-making. At 3 and more degrees, you have strategists and academics who present the information and advise the decisions. However, modern corporate society doesn't work this way; the executives are often mediocrities, the "advisor" class isn't really listened-to, and most of what goes on in academia is self-referential bullshit.

"Rule by the smart" is not flawless, of course. Bigger problems than a lack of intelligence in our ruling class are the lack of integrity, vision, and compassion... which are also much harder to measure-- although all of these correlate are correlated much more strongly with IQ than with "leadership" as measured by our current selection process. Therefore, an "IQ meritocracy" would be an improvement. Between a set of 140+ IQers (among whom there would be some who are unfit to lead) and the people running the show now, I'd bet on the first class without hesitation.




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