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Spread that over "the equivalent of 75 years of typical U.S. adult driving." (1million + miles) and the alpha version of this software seems almost on par with the average driver which is expected to file an insurance claim every 17.9 years.

PS: How often do you think the average drivers ed teacher uses there break?




I'd like to see some analysis of the predicted severity of the accidents for self driving cars.

A minor fender bender at low speed vs. losing control and going over a guard rail at 80 mph are both "accidents" - but have entirely different consequences.

I have a hunch that while human drivers are still better, when they do have accidents some percentage of those tend to be much more fatal.


Your statistic is incorrect. The incidents described took place over a much smaller number of miles. Only I believe 14 months of the Self-Driving Car program, not the sum total of it's driving to date. (I said 12 above, but I think it's actually 14 months.)

424,331 miles, according to the report. http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/resources/cadmvdisengagerepo...

Nor are you counting all of the times the driving software handed control back to the driver. Consider each one of those equivalent to your human driver falling asleep at the wheel.


"Google had operated its self-driving cars in autonomous mode for more than 1.3 million miles. Of those miles, 424,331 occurred on public roads in California during the period covered by this report" So, you where talking about a specific report not the overall system, got it.

Our objective is not to minimize disengagements; rather, it is to gather, while operating safely, as much data as possible to enable us to improve our self-driving system. Therefore, we set disengagement thresholds conservatively, and each is carefully recorded.

That's a long way from falling asleep at the wheel. That's we don't want to put people at risk so we are going to hand off control if "Disengage for a recklessly behaving agent" etc.


As you correctly point out disengagements may not be the equivalent of falling asleep: they might simply be the equivalent of the driving instructor adjudging the learner at the wheel to be looking a bit too nervous, or just not ready for the junction that's coming up yet. And yes, its assumptions on the type of "software discrepancy" and "unwanted maneuver" that prompt human input are conservative by design.

But the report actually goes so far to points out that on at least 13 of those occasions Google believes that without human intervention a crash would have occurred. It also implies that only 3 of those situations were created by poor driving on the part of another human. That's a definite crash due to Google car error averted every ~40k miles, even though humans already take over whenever there's a software warning, a spot of rain or something else that they think might stretch its capabilities too much.

The average US driver has 1 accident per 165000 miles (which, like the unusual tendency for the Google car to get bumped when stopping at junctions, may or may not be their fault) and that's including DUI as well as people driving in slightly more difficult conditions than sunny surburban California.


> The average US driver has 1 accident per 165000 miles (which, like the unusual tendency for the Google car to get bumped when stopping at junctions, may or may not be their fault) and that's including DUI as well as people driving in slightly more difficult conditions than sunny surburban California.

The average driver doesn't do all city miles and that's why Google's cars have gotten bumped. Highway driving is much easier to automate (several cars already do this today) and makes up a large percentage of total miles driven.


Disengagements while on public roads is the only representative metric. The real world is more challenging than whatever artificial testing environment Google has on their private roads.


"424,331 miles, according to the report"

That is a useful data point. Extremely optimistic bystanders think self driving cars will lower death rates to zero.

Statistically about 7 people die on the public roads per billion passenger miles. At half a million miles, assuming the miles are statistically random and indistinguishable from the entire country (sure, summer in socal is as hard driving as a winter in a blizzard at night in Montana, sure...) then 424331 death free miles means that technologies death record is no worse than 336 times worse than human drivers, at least so far. Perhaps its only 335 times more deadly than human drivers. Even drunk people aren't that dangerous.

Or in other words, the self driving car can be summarized to lots of predictions based on very little data.




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