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Almost all Dutch intercity trains run 140km/h, and that's fast enough (it's faster than cars, and goes city center to city center). Of course cities are close together here, but we are in Europe.

I'd certainly call 200km/h "decently fast".




> Almost all Dutch intercity trains run 140km/h, and that's fast enough

When it's hard to find cities more than 100km apart, sure. And the US already have passenger trains in that range.

> Of course cities are close together here, but we are in Europe.

I quoted what's considered high-speed rail in Europe, I'm sorry that offends you.

> I'd certainly call 200km/h "decently fast".

Not when your cities are 500km apart or more.


New high speed railways in Germany are built only for 250km/h: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendlingen%E2%80%93Ulm_high-sp...


A specific 80km rail section with a long tunnelled ramp is only built for 250 (which does qualify as high-speed anyway). Germany also has 300km/h rail: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erfurt–Leipzig/Halle_high-spee...


The trains almost never go that fast, and even if they do, it's for short periods of time. Average speed is the key thing.

Why are we only impressed by megafast trains? They aren't really cost efficient and probably won't be built at all. The best train is the one that exists! 200km/h is already probably reaching. Even 150km/h means you could go Chicago to Cincinatti in 3 hours (vs 4.5 by car) or San Francisco to LA in under 5 hours (vs 6 hours by car). At 5 hours, that beats the hassle of an airplane, IMO.


> The trains almost never go that fast

Sure they do. Worldwide, Acela is a peculiar exception, not a rule (and no if you're going to put your train on old low-speed rails and give priority to freight you definitely don't need high-speed trainsets, I'm not going to disagree with that one, turns out only in the US do people do that, go figure)

> Average speed is the key thing.

And the average speed is higher if the train can reach a higher top speed. All of the top average service speeds are high-speed trains: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_speed_record_for_rail_veh...

> Why are we only impressed by megafast trains?

Because megaslow trains are pointless for long distances?

> They aren't really cost efficient and probably won't be built at all.

Considering the US's love for trains, I just assume you guys won't build any either way, that's usually a pretty safe bet.

> Even 150km/h means you could go Chicago to Cincinatti in 3 hours (vs 4.5 by car) or San Francisco to LA in under 5 hours (vs 6 hours by car). At 5 hours, that beats the hassle of an airplane, IMO.

When the flight is 1h15~1h30, you'll be a very small minority, the general annoyance of transport and loss of the whole day means flight pretty much always win. Lower that to ~2h30 city center to city center, however, and train might become competitive, especially without security check and with better cabin comfort.


Well, you specifically mentioned trains in Germany. I've ridden quite a few, and I can tell you, they almost never go that fast, and not for long periods of time. With all the stop and go, all the slow tracks, quiet areas, and whatever else, the average speed isn't that high. So in general the US should probably not focus on superfast trains, since they don't pan out usually, but just getting some decent trains that are on-time and reasonably fast.




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