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There's no error in my post. "terrorism" is a political racist term mainly used to benefit white colonial powers and label freedom movements as below their oppressors.

I don't think brown people trying to save themselves from a concentration camp are terrorists, therefore the terrorist state of israel is not the target of a terrorist group. In fact how could they be when it is them that are invading Gaza for 40+ years.

I know you're not this stupid, you're just racist.


But you said that Israel is a terrorist state, so that isn’t political? Which is it?

I've been in this country since I was 3 years old. My parents and I have never committed a crime.

There is no pathway to citizenship for us that doesn't involve leaving the country for at least ten years.


It isn't ICE's fault that congress won't fix the immigration system.


Nobody in this thread is blaming ICE for their own existence.

However, now that they exist and wield great political power, they probably should get some for their continued existence.


It is ICE's fault that they are targeting law abiding people (who contribute more to the country than they receive) and Americans [0] but are too afraid and/or incompetent to go after violent criminals.

0 - https://pix11.com/news/local-news/ice-agents-raid-nj-seafood...


So you're saying they're just following orders?


If your complaint is "the pathway to legal citizenship should be reformed", ICE is the wrong target.


I haven't taken any position, I'm only pointing out the parallels of the argument you're making to mistakes us humans have made in the past, that we don't want to make again.

But if you want me to make an assertion, I'll go with:

We're all on this blue marble together; Us vs Them is a negative sum game we don't want to play. ICE has earned the reputation they have, and until they do something that changes them from "dog murderers" and "targeting the wrong people", we shouldn't afford them any sympathy or excuses. ICE the organization might not directly be able to alter the laws they're given, but they can directly influence them, and change the way we talk about it. Individual ICE agents, likewise also can't change the laws they enforce, but they can change how they enforce them. They can spend more time doing what's right, instead of doing what's easy. They can take things a bit slower instead of murdering important family members, or making children afraid of what's going to happen to them.


Ok but I was replying to a specific post complaining about the pathway to citizenship.


Yes you were, you were also implicitly defending ICE. "It's not their fault." Perhaps, but they're contributing more towards making things worse, than making things better. So, technically correct or not, they deserve blame more than they do any kind of defense.


Oh, what, are they "just following orders"?


Join the military and get fast tracked for a greencard.


American vets are getting caught up in ICE raids. These guys don't serve America, they are strictly white nationalists.

https://pix11.com/news/local-news/ice-agents-raid-nj-seafood...


White nationalism is indeed a major problem in ICE (and law enforcement in general), but I don't think this is an accurate way to paint the situation as a whole. This is what textbook nativism looks like, and many non-white americans are nativists as well. They rhyme and overlap and often share goals but they're not the same and they are often motivated by different fears.

What we see here looks more like this than like apartheid/jim crow (though if you look at how we treat legal immigrant labor it gets much blurier): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback


When Americans are getting targeted because of the color of their skin, it goes beyond nativism to white supremacy.


Sign a four year contract and use that time to fix your status. If not it's on you.

I read a story years ago about an undocumented resident who worked as an MP in the military. Not a problem as everyone operates under the authority of the president. He left the service and became a police officer. That was a major issue as non-citizen's can't enforce civil law.


Maybe you should have read my comment instead of thinking about a story from years ago. I'll say it again: American vets are getting caught in ICE raids. Your status doesn't matter. The color of your skin does.


Can I see your papers? Are you harboring enemies of the state?

https://nativenewsonline.net/currents/tribal-nations-urge-ci...


They've been rounding up native american citizens, public opinion would already be abysmal in a functioning democracy


Native Americans, specifically the Navajo, have been questioned by agents, but there have been no mass persecution or arrests of Native Americans. That was a rumor spread on social media without any provenance.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/trump-immigration-raids-...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/checked-reports-ice-detaining-nat...

I cannot emphasize enough how huge of a story it would be if the United States government was legitimately rounding up Native Americans. Given existing racial tensions and historical controversy, that would on the front pages for days on end. It would be as juicy a story as the German feds mass arresting Jews.


PP was referring to native US Americans, not First People.

It's weird that you are downplaying this. Are you ironically alluding to how the Holocaust was underreported in contemporaneous media before the US joined WWII?


They probably simply read “native american citizens” as referring to Natives Americans. There’s no need to cast aspirations.


I mean public opinion about this specific operation, not in general.


Uhh they've been openly talking about dismantling democracy and creating nation-states rules by corporations for literally almost a decade. JD Vance is their man in DC when trump is gone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RpPTRcz1no


As of September, Vance has indeed publicly cited Yarvin:

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/09/13/jd-vance-n...


> Vance said that if Trump became president again, "I think what Trump should do, if I was giving him one piece of advice: Fire every single midlevel bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state, and replace them with our people. And when the courts stop you, stand before the country and say, 'The chief justice has made his ruling. Now let him enforce it.'"[14][49]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin

well, that's certainly something.


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