Not commenting on this particular case, but on the general sentiment.
Aristotle did say in Politics IV that appointing public office by lottery, drawing from the real public, is more democratic (power to the people) than elections, which is an oligarchic exercise.
I've always held the opinion that elected officials should have to use public health care, send their kids to public schools, and use public transport.
This would ensure that they would have to maintain these institutions and be able to face their constituents on the daily.
Sure but those need to be understood within context.
Obviously OP is not saying it was unilaterally better and the idea being commented on is just public lottery vs election. You can lift out that idea and apply our current understanding of “public” and the point of OP still stands.
I don't think it does. The voting pool back then would be the modern equivalent of free landowners with citizens parents, and excluding some felons (not gonna investigate which crimes carried the death/exile penalty in Athens).
I thought perhaps hen hadn't quite digested what it would mean for only a small class of elites to be in the pool that gets picked from.
By excluding over 3/4 of the population, we would hardly get what we think of as democracy.
With those exclusions, the power of being a citizen would increase dramatically and the lottery would make it unlikely bands of eligible citizens would unite to expand the electorate but instead would seek to make membership more stringent, like DPRK's haeksim.
Choice by lottery would also fail to exclude men who have no desire or capacity to do whatever job it is they pulled. I do not know what they did in ancient Greece but in modern times that would lead to a bureaucratic class with the leader being only a figurehead at their mercy--and at times that would be very good. But the bureaucrats class would not be the voice of the people, would not be democratic.
I felt this was obvious from the exclusions and so didn't see the need to elaborate.
I have ChatGPT app and Claude and Gemini PWAs on my dock. I gravitate towards using ChatGPT much more. It's just faster vs launching Chromium for each small query.
There's likely things we missed but we'd love to find examples you might have. We try to be scientific as much as we can https://github.com/flutter/flutter/pull/122275 [coincidentally a community contribution from someone who didn't have to fork :)]
Disclaimer: used to work on some of these animations
The main Flutter GitHub repo does have infrastructure to run PR against all Google internal tests (which as you say, does find real bugs). https://imgur.com/a/Ih2oQIS
Does that automatically run against every PR? What mitigations did you have to put in place for Google security to allow running untrusted code from PRs on internal CI?
Actions (commits) speak better than words for me - flutter managers like (kevmoo) that are responsible for PR what gonna say? Probably you not gonna hear form them "Sorry we had layoffs and unfortunately our team is to small to handle all issues for now" Same with previous google employees that are still invested in flutter ecosystems by launching commercial products around it even if not at google anymore.
This sounds bitter and misinformed. Check automotive grade Linux and check GitHub for flutter embedders. Flutter being deployed all over the place. It’s impressive. The tooling and DX is excellent.
Do you have a source for that claim? I'm pretty sure that is incorrect. Bytedance has said they use Flutter but for other projects.[0] Douyin is not mentioned anywhere.
I don't have access to any devices with Douyin on it, so I cannot confirm current usage.
My knowledge of their usage is from discussions with ByteDance some many years ago when I was in charge of the Flutter project at Google. At the time they were using Flutter in 50+ applications (probably most of them internal), including Douyin (TikTok for China) as well as physical hardware kiosks on their campus, web apps, etc.
I just tested Douyin 23.5 from 2022[0] and it does not have the two finger scroll bug.[1] It is of course possible they were carrying their own patch for it all this time but that seems unlikely. I doubt they are using Flutter or if they did it must have been a long time ago.
[1] https://github.com/flutter/flutter/issues/11884 - click on the search button in Douyin on the main page and search for something to get to a regular ScrollView. You don't need an account for this.
I wouldn't say its unlikely they carried a patch for it, I just wrote a framework patch that I apply at build time in CI and locally.
I refuse to sideload arbitrary APKs, especially from bytedance. I feel bad because that is irrational, you did, and it'd be really helpful if I did and just did this myself, but, you should install FlutterShark and check: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fluttersha...
Why is "bug" in scare quotes here? It was most definitely a bug.
>I wouldn't say its unlikely they carried a patch for it, I just wrote a framework patch that I apply at build time in CI and locally.
The actual fix was pretty involved. I doubt a large company like Bytedance would want to carry around extra patches at the gesture level that make the dev cycle more difficult. Having one person carry a patch on their local machine is a different story.
Anyway, the Bytedance blogpost says only 200 devs are using Flutter which would make no sense if it was used in Douyin, and LibChecker[0] returns no results for libflutter.so.
> Why is "bug" in scare quotes here? It was most definitely a bug.
Is it? I thought it was cool, I can't think of why its disruptive to scroll a list faster if you scroll with more fingers.
> I doubt a large company like Bytedance would want to carry around extra patches at the gesture level
I'm a solo endeavour, and I spent ~30 minutes to do exactly this (patch gesture behavior) two days ago. I was stunned how easy it is. But I grew up on versioned closed source dependencies on Apple iOS frameworks that you had to patch the runtime at runtime to fix, so I'm easily wowed.
> 200 devs are using Flutter which would make no sense if it was used in Douyin
Seems reductive: "Only" 200 fulltime, 800 in the company...and we're in a discussion about how 50 maintain _the entire framework_. :)
Anthropic is so close to getting to a WeChat-esque store-less super-app state. It just needs a way to gather all your published artifacts and surface them easily in the sidebar like your favorited chats.
Since Elon is so interested in that model, if xAI had Claude's capabilities, they would surely go with that angle
> Fazzino’s new study found that by 2018, the differences in previously tobacco-owned foods and other foods had mostly disappeared. It’s not that foods got healthier, Fazzino said, but that other companies saw what worked and many products likely were reformulated to make them just as hyper-palatable as those sold by their competitors.
Kind of explains why snacks are so delicious and irresistable.
I'm neutral on (tobacco company creation) Teddy Grahams though.
> bologna, crackers and processed cheese contained so much sodium and saturated fat that some doctors called it a “blood pressure bomb.”
swap the crackers for celery and you could market it as keto/low carb
Aristotle did say in Politics IV that appointing public office by lottery, drawing from the real public, is more democratic (power to the people) than elections, which is an oligarchic exercise.