My setup is probably a bit unusual, as I use four desktop apps and webmail
1) work emails (we use self hosted zimbra) - combination of zimbra desktop + outlook. I use outlook for usual email job - I do a lot of email exchange with corpos and Outlook is best when it comes to table support in emails (copy-paste to/from Excel). When I need to search for an email or clean up my inbox (not everything can be filtered with rules) I usually swtich to Zimbra desktop (unfortunately abandoned project) for its very compact UI (I hate a lot of spacing in modern apps), very fast searching and some UI features like "mark email", press "M" for a "move emails to folder" window with search field. If only zimbra desktop had decent table support, it would be ideal for me.
2) private emails - Thunderbird. With some plugins (currently use three: "Manually sort folders", "quick folders move" and "quick folders") I can achieve Zimbra's "move emails to folder" experience. Searching is good, but thunderbird lacks good table support so a "no-go" for me when it comes to work emails.
3) mutt - from time to time - pure nostalgia, I send maybe 5 emails / month here...
3) webmails (zimbra's web interface and roundcube) when in need and without access to my laptop/pc.
I really hate the trend of increasing padding in various apps / websites. One of the first things I usually do is search for "how do I make more condensed view here".
I am probably in minority here - most people use touchscreens (phones / tablets) but there is still a group of people who have bigger screens and would love to see more data than empty space.
> most people use touchscreens (phones / tablets) but there is still a group of people who have bigger screens and would love to see more data than empty space.
They do/might but adding all that empty space in the desktop version of Firefox is quite pointless, considering that it has a mobile version.
I get that there are people with Surfaces and whatever. There are also people with 30" screens. A mobile UI that fits a phone's screen but not a tablet's is considered poorly-designed. It's high time we acknowledge the same thing is true on non-mobile systems.
That being said, things are not as easy to fix as they seem. Paddings have been getting bigger as the use of contrast in UI designs has decreased, and as UI elements have gone increasingly fatter. Without either of these visual cues, the only way to "isolate" pieces of information is by keeping it apart from other pieces of information -- i.e. by whitespace. If you just took one of these interfaces and reduced all padding values by 50%, you would get sane spacing, but the whole thing would be a jumbled, unreadable mess.
(Edit: obviously, adding some visual cues like borders, if not full-on 3D frames, or at least using colours that people over 30 can differentiate on a cheap monitor in a well-lit room, does fix the readability issues, but it also gets you burnt at the design stake for being a heretic so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )
having some padding is nice to have a spot to 'grab' when you want to move windows around. Firefox chrome has gotten so small its a hard to find a 'safe' place to grab.
The lack of vertical space on modern 16:9 screens makes them do that. You can make it 9:16 by rotating it 90°, but it isn't common so the default is no bar. Keyboard-oriented browsers often go further than that, offering just a plain page with little to no visible controls.
Anyway, at least you can easily turn the title bar back on.
I know this was the original argument 10+ years ago when this trend started, but it has long stopped any sense. Firefox' tab bar is now 48px. If you add in the insane padding of the address and search boxes, that's practically the same size -- if not thicker -- than the old titlebar + tab bar + address bar combo. No space has been saved in this manner for years now.
yeah - the huge chunk of space between 'home' and the address field is just wasted..It's plenty big enough to shrink it a bit and add some 'outside' padding to the ends of the bar.
I'd be happier if there was just more padding on the 'ends' of the address bar, and less padding 'internal' to it. The space between 'home' and address bar would be a lot more useful if it was split between the to ends and gave you someplace to grab.
yeah. I'm blind as a bat, so I only get 1 window per monitor anyway - so the extra space wouldn't be an issue.
P.S.
Am I the only one losing the fight with smaller pixels? As monitors get higher res, I keep having to increase the font size to be able to read them. Even on 4K, twenty-mumble inch monitors, I can only get one 'visible' window at a time.
You can give yourself that space by showing the menu bar and/or the title bar. I wouldn't be surprised if they take those options away but at least for now you can do it.
I hate increasing padding and the removal of borders, leading to UI elements that just seem to run into each other. It looks like an unfinished mess.
Even with this fix it's still ridiculously tall --- in the space it manages to show only 3 lines: tabs, address bar/controls, and booksmarks bar, my current browser has 4 lines: a title bar (which shows the full title of the page, not these horrid cut-off fragments), a menu bar, tabs, and controls/address bar.
>> most people use touchscreens (phones / tablets)
> ...running Windows? I doubt that.
of course not, windows 10 mobile is already dead.
I am talking about general trend - a lot of people are fine with just smartphone and/or tablet and do not really need to use windows pc/laptop
The problem here is that for some bizarre reason, most designers try to come up with a single solution that fits both mice and touchscreens. That should never happen. And that especially should never happen with something that is supposed to run on platforms where touchscreens are a gimmick — which they are on all those Windows laptops.
And, I mean, phones and tablets don't even run the OSes that desktop Firefox runs on. This particular redesign thus makes zero sense.
Vertical padding make me so angry, vertical space is a scarce resource that is already wasted with giant title bars on top, a dock on the bottom, layers of toolbars stacked on useless icons. If most screens where using a 9x16 ratio it would not be a problem, but they are 16x9 ...
I expect current UI trends are informed by focus group testing that starts with the application in a blank state and adds small amounts of data. You’d get very different results if the focus groups concentrated on using the application in a mature state with ~months worth of data in it.
My hypothesis is that UI designers optimize towards "pretty" at the detriment of functional because pretty is much easier to show with a screenshot in a portfolio or on Twitter.
I keep it on as well - just hope that they can see that after 89.0 was releases there was an increase (not big, but still) in changes to default look'n'feel and make some conclusions :)
I'm the opposite - I have 4K monitors, but it seems like there is no chrome left to grab when you want to move windows in 'modern' apps. Anyplace you click - does something you probably didn't want to do.
I'm not arguing with you, but I like the "feel" of the padding for the tab area, as someone with a 27" 1440p screen. I /don't/ like padding on repeated elements like lists (gmail, reddit, etc.) that are cumulative when evaluating dozens of items on a page, though.
OTOH, I don't see why they couldn't have kept things adjustable with a ratio. And I miss the Status Bar on the bottom.
true, but that works only with one app, as I see in this thread there is a group of users (likely - very small) that would like to see it in other apps / part of the system.
I do see advantage of being cloud based as a way to avoid database conflicts (in my case 3 windows machines + mobile), but I wonder what can surprise me here. Is bitwarden's browser integration similar to KeepassXC (Keepass helper + KeepasXC-browser)?
We live about about 30km outside of our capital city. It's a village, but you can see it slowly transforimg into a small town. Wife got crazy about growing own vegetables, so I've been busy assembling garden crates for her.
We also decided to farm chickens (for eggs), so we bought a havel - another couple of hours spent on assembling. As we never did this before, we are grokking the web looking for something you would call "chicken farming for dummies".
Since i was without a freelance project for 2 weeks when the lockdown started i finally took the time to build a chicken run and and a coop.
We wanted to do this for years and now that they are here i can say keeping chickens (we've got 6 hens) is one of the best things i ever did. They are very rewarding.
I think it is important to research what type of chicken is best suited for you. Ours are Jersey Giants, a so-called dual use breed. We keep them for eggs and meat, i'm used to the butchering part.
We let them roam freely for the most part of the day so they can hunt for bugs and snails. So far they don't mess up the garden too much...
We have four chickens for eggs and one rooster. They are about as easy an animal as you can have. If you have a fenced-in backyard you can let them roam around all day, they will eat all the bugs back there. This is good for as we live in southern Louisiana which provides a plentiful amount of bugs. They are also more resilient than you would think, in terms of the winter for you. You'll learn as you go, might lose one to a hawk as we did, and have to clean up the carcass.
I agree that setting up OpenVPN for the first time might be quite messy, so such script can be useful - it is quite simple and lets you do standard setup.
What I am wondering - it is using a pregenerated dh param file (I can understsand why - to make the initial process faster). I am not much into crypto, with all the other elements being created during the setup process, how big no-no is having a predefined dh file?
No strong opinion here, but I see calver as a good fit for a new / rapidly changing project (with yyyymmdd being a both version and snapshot date), or for a software where you don't need semver guarantees about api change - so not for a library or for some important tool that is often scripted.
Or, as described in the project, calver might be good as a release date for a "umbrella projects" - like Ubuntu, or even Windows 10 builds.
Looking for some advice here. I am generally happy with KeePassXC (switching from browser-remembered passwords was a big step forward for me), but I have a feeling that it might not be a perfect solution for me.
I have four devices that are being used on almost-daily basis:
- work PC
- home PC,
- laptop,
- smartphone
work and home PCs are often on at the same time leading to a situation where I have KeePassXC database open - it happens I just leave home/work without closing / locking the database (or it prompts database modified - save?) which might lead to some desync scenarios (it already happened to me).
So I think I need something that will not keep local database as KeePassXC does, but will use online store. I am not a big cloud fan, so would prefer to host in on my own infra.
My requirements:
- self-hosted
- online (some API-based),
- cross-platform (at least Windows/Android but with Linux in mind)
- browser-aware completion (similar to KeePassXC) - Firefox + maybe chrome,
Is bitwarden a way to go? Or is there something better?
Hi check out my comment right in the thread right above yours... :-D
Don't know if KeepassXC has the same functionality as Keepass, but they provide an option to use a LocalDB/MasterDB synchronization [0]. This could help preventing desync problems.
I do a variant of this, login+company@domain.com (or more often login-company@domain.com as + is often rejected at html forms).
In my experience, catch-all email (*@domain.com) increased number of spam as spambots send out emails to randomly generated adresses (john@domain.com, stephen@domain.com, anne@domain.com).
I like the new UI - seems a bit more compact than previous one - a nice chnage comparing to useless space wasted in most of the apps we have today.
Hope they will focus on editor in the upcoming versions - if only they could make html tables as good as they are in Outlook...