Sure, but it's not like that's a coincidence, they're surely using that to mean 'very small, D4'. And even if not, it just seems like an odd choice of name to me to have it consist of three words all meaning varying degrees of smallness.
Thanks for your feedback - I dislike "pushing" the buy button, but you are right that it's hard to find on mobile, so I have added a [Buy a TinyPICO] and [Buy a TinyPICO Nano] button in the main body of each respective page.
I dislike pushing "buy" too, but I like being able to find it, or at least knowing it's for sale. Most people coming in will have no idea.
Two more proposed changes:
1) "Getting started" presumes I have a device. I don't. That's obnoxious. The first step in getting started is buying a device (or, for other projects, ordering a PCB and a BoM, or otherwise). The first thing I want to know is:
- Is it for sale, or do I build it myself?
- What should I buy? Nano? Normal? Do I want any accessories?
- Where should I buy it?
2) In your github repos, you link to a store. It'd be nice if you said what you were selling in the lik "Or by buying the TinyPCIO or one of our other products on tindie or our own shop." This clearly contrasts with e.g. selling t-shirts and swag, build kits, or otherwise. And yes, many open source projects support themselves in part by selling unrelated swag.
The S3 is not out yet, not even close. My FeatherS2 has 16MB of flash and 8MB of PSRAM, and that has native USB. My TinyS2 has 4MB Flash and 2MB PSRAM and native USB and is the TinyPICO form factor. The ESP32-S3 for a "TinyPICO" form factor board will never come with more than 4MB of internal flash and external flash wont fit on a TinyPICO sized board.
I'll have a FeatherS3 and ProS3 out as soon as he ESP32-S3 is released.
Sorry, I don't mean to nitpick, but the Espressif Dev-Kit boards are 2.5 * bigger than the TinyPICO (not 1 cm) and have no onboard battery management - something that most ESP32 users want - and no extra PSRAM. They also have no low current power paths so are terrible at deep sleep. But they are designed as reference boards, not as user facing project boards.
TinyPICO has 4MB Flash and 4MB extra PSRAM on top of the 520k SRAM plus the rest.
I pointed all that out, thanks for pointing out it is 2.5cm instead of 1cm. Battery and size are where tinypico shines, and I mentioned the psram. If you are plugged in and 2.5 cm doesnt matter, I recommend espressif parts.
Esp32 is very common for led controls. Leds are usually plugged in. For those uses, tinypico buys me less than I hoped.
You're posting interesting information but you keep doing these needless accusations. Of course there are people with financial interests defending the project here. You're literally responding to the creator of the board.
They made a board, they're selling it, they're talking about it's virtues, it's not a bad thing. You suggesting alternatives is also not a bad thing, but you make it sound as if there's something nefarious going on.
How on earth is it not misleading to not lead with the fact you're the creator! I'd have zero issue with talking about their product if they lead with that in the comment!
HN is probably 50% people talking about what they do, yet this is the first time I've ever called someone out for this. Like how hard is it to say "Hey, guy who created the board ... <insert exactly the same comment>".
You shouldn't have to play sleuth checking people's comment histories to get such a simple (but important) disclaimer.
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More weird replies... like where did I say seon posted the actual link? Or remotely imply that?
It doesn't really matter if they're the creator, or someone else financially benefitting from the project. They can just defend the project, and people can form their own opinions. This board is not censored, so everyone can read all comments and make up their own opinions.
I hate that your comments are downvoted so much, when there's good information that would normally be a great contribution, or at least basis for good conversation. If you'd take a slightly less accusatory stance they would've been perfect comments.
I love that they're downvoted so much, the information is easy to find, I have no problem calling out the outright dishonesty of not leading with "I made the thing I'm about to recommend"
And I have no issue being accusatory, in fact let me get more accusatory, how strange is it the other comment that I felt was weird came from a 4 karma account that made it's first comment in 7 years on this post!
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It's funny because there are literally 6 ESP32 variants in my order history from the last month. There's one sitting next to me running the project I'm debugging.
TinyPICO just went from "It's expensive but if I want to have a USB C port, that's the one" to "I will never buy one".
I'm not saying that as some giant "gotcha!" I'm sure there's no shortage of people who will buy them, but I won't be one of them. Not going to support these kinds of games.
I posted - not seon sorry for confusing you. Just really found tinypico with esp32 amazing and wanted to share with HN… sorry again if I caused you stress
I'm the only owner, designer, manufacturer and financially involved person with any of my boards. If it's not my name on the post, it's not someone tied to the product beyond being a customer.
I posted the article not seon. I just wanted to share with HN a project that I have really enjoyed over the last year that I thought other people on HN would really enjoy - sorry I have caused you any confusion or stress
It's not that complicated, if you're evangelizing (which "clearing up misconceptions" on subjective matters like the normal boards being small enough is) you lead with a disclaimer
This isn't some new thing, there are literally tens of thousands instances of "creator here/dev here/CEO here/etc." in comments on HN, this is not a new thing, it's not a huge burden, it's bare minimums to not come across as extremely shady.
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But then again, 7 year old account leaving its first comment in 7 years doing something similar is what really sets of alarm bells...
Again I posted the original story - I have zero connection to seon, I just really like his work and wanted to share since there has been so much discussion recently about esp32 boards. I only recently got into learning electronics and really found tinypico to be one of the easiest boards to work with. That said I’m super sorry I upset you.
Again, I have no idea why you keep replying to me with these same words. Is this a bot I'm speaking to?
I mean where is my comment mentioning you? I'm literally talking about a comment you didn't make... right?
If anything your strange obsession with repeatedly replying to my comments that have literally nothing to do with you with the same exact text over and over is starting to add another layer to the strangeness here.
Thanks for your thoughts, but just to clarify - the 'LILYGO T-Micro32' is not a dev board with USB chopped off. It's just a PICO-D4 chip and antenna. It's got no Serial2UART, no USB, no LDO or any power management, no battery management - it's got nothing. It's just a D4 SiP on a PCB with an antenna and an RF shield. No different to a WROOM-32 module.
You can't do anything with it unless you put it on a carrier PCB and add all of the other stuff yourself.
Seems to be a lot of confusion about what the Micro32 is and what it's not.
Love your work! Spent all of covid learning electronics - always wanted to get into robotics or do something cool so I’ve started with home security and a clock project because I figured they’d be easy starter projects - still working on them 18 months later… but I have managed to get two PCB boards to work so far the most fun has been working with the tinypico - it’s form factor is great- and capability is perfect… anyways saw many posts recently about esp32 and was like tinypico is where it’s at people need to know :)
