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/r/bitcoin is also censoring mentions of Ethereum - it's main rival right now.

https://twitter.com/DiginomicsNews/status/705258811192438784


That is true, because /r/bitcoin is about bitcoin.

If you want to promote Ethereum, you can do so on /r/ethereum/.

I am sure promoting dog ownership over cats is frowned upon by /r/cats readers, too.


I participate in a subreddit focused on one particular modded mincraft launcher and set of modpacks (r/ftb, for the Feed The Beast launcher). Posts about modded minecraft in general are welcomed; /r/ftb is the largest modded minecraft subreddit, and there's a lot of overlap in terms of contents, users, mod authors, etc.

Similarly, I've never seen anyone upset about people discussing non-Javascript languages in /r/javascript; there's specific subreddits for some popular variants and libraries (like /r/coffeescript and /r/react), but nobody cares. The rules do say posts should be at least indirectly related to javascript, but a post talking about a better language would be seen as easily related enough.

/r/bitcoins rules do not follow the norms for Reddit communities, as far as I've seen.


As a counter-example, there are lots of tightly-modded subs that I follow that benefit from strong moderation of off-topic posts. Such subs include /r/personalfinance, and /r/askhistorians.


> I am sure promoting dog ownership over cats is frowned upon by /r/cats readers, too

You are wrong, nobody on /r/cats have gotten their comment removed or been banned for talking about dogs or any other pet on /r/cats.


/r/bitcoin has never been a venue for discussing alternative cryptocurrencies. Due to reddit's lack of a concept of sub-subreddits or the ability to have a subreddit's front page filter out a certain tag, the only way to remove floods of people discussing off-topic subjects is to say "sorry, please discuss that in another subreddit".


Hey magic, can we get a UK version of magic?


Krugman says that greater wealth leads to a lack of empathy.

Surely it's a lack of empathy leads to greater wealth?


Could be both. But in the case of trump, his wealth was inherited, so the argument goes in the direction Krugman states.


which he increased by an order of magnitude.


It was gigantic to begin with, and he has performed about as well as an index fund over his period in business, avoiding bankruptcy only by fluke.


He goes from tens of millions is assets to billions. A fluke you say. If that was so easy we would have a lot more billionaires. Investment choices are always obvious after the fact.


I said the avoiding of bankruptcy was a fluke. And yes, it is certainly the case that if more people inherited $40 million when Trump did, we'd have many more billionaires today since a conservative investment strategy over the same period would have made them so.

https://www.quora.com/Did-Donald-Trump-inherit-a-lot-of-mone...


But they can and should go out of business


Except they often don't. Being horrible and abusing people is very profitable. Democratic governments can also be voted "out of business", and the result is more-less the same as with companies: good and evil thrive, what disappears is people and organizations too stupid or too inhibited to game the system.


Evil business is often sustained by some form of government subsidies. Examples abound in education, healthcare, finance, etc.


True, but so are good ones. Subsidies are orthogonal to business morality.


One of the great things about business is that they don't have to follow much morality besides their own self-interest to be useful to society.

Subsidies preserve broken business models at great cost to not just taxpayers, but economic efficiency and quality of service. They create and perpetuate structural deficiencies in the economy. They reward political rent-seeking instead of creating real value for people.

As they pile up, the cumulative effect becomes worse and the ability of society to change its mind erodes. At an extreme, when subsidies drive a huge portion of economic activity, returning to a free market requires years of painful readjustment.


They also support business models that do good when doing good is not profitable. Or basic research, which is pretty much by definition something the market won't touch with a ten-foot pole. Or ventures that could be the milestones to fixing something big about the world (see: Tesla Motors).

The great thing about business is also one of the worst things about it. Profit drive is a very powerful optimization force, and we owe to it most of the wealth around us. It's great when it kind of follows along the lines society wants it to. But, as you said, it has essentially no reason to keep doing that, and so when being horrible and evil is more profitable, the business turns horrible and evil and that's where we need the government - an agent that does not follow the same incentive gradient - to step in and force that business to behave.

The market is like a great river. It's simple - it flows downhill. Put an obstacle on its way, and the river shall destroy it or route around it. But just as majestic and life-giving it is, it can equally easily take lives away. It will flood villages and cities without stopping. Governments are like people tasked with landscaping. They don't have the power of the river. But they can put things on its path to redirect it - whether away from settlements in danger, or towards a barren land, or straight into a power plant that will help feed millions.

We need both.


Politicians are subject to market forces just like everyone else. It just happens to be a market for votes, and the tools at their disposal include pandering to special interests, demagogy, class-warfare, and racial division. Taxes, subsidies, and regulations are driven at least as much by those as by any genuine concern for the people or the economy. And they always want to spend someone else's money instead of their own!

I agree that we need both. Basic research is a good example. I'm not familiar with the economics of electric cars, but you might be right about Tesla too. But beware the easy incrementalism of this all. Each step is logical and difficult to oppose on its own, but the collective result is a society drained of its dynamism and freedom. And then the real kicker is that the government programs that you sacrificed them to don't work. They become barriers to entry for competition, vehicles for political pork, permanent bureaucracies that lobby for their own existence, and more opportunity to waste other people's money.

As an aside, businesses do have a very good reason to continue to serve the public interest: they need to continue to create value for their customers, or they soon won't have any.


In a way markets and governments aren't really that different from one another. I think people often forget that neither exists in a vacuum. Politicians, like you say, are part of the market too! They want money (like everyone) and they have power and influence to sell. Supply and demand are there, and so the trade happens. To stop it completely we'd have to staff our governments with alien beings that would not desire anything we could offer them.

(And no, disbanding all governance will not make power spread itself evenly among everyone - it's not a stable state. We'd be back to having warlords instead.)

RE Tesla, they took some DOE loans (inb4 someone pops up with "evil Musk eating taxpayer money" again - loans which they paid back in full and way before the due time) that were important to their growth. It's a textbook example of why those loans, and other grants, exist in the first place.

I agree that all the problems you mentioned are real and important. Governments do create nasty issues. But they handle some things well. Markets too have issues, just different ones, and also have terrible failure modes in other areas (which include bribing governments into changing laws to benefit them instead of the general population). Personally, I'm advocating for dropping the ideological approach and just evaluating every problem on its own, whether it is solved best by top-down governance, bottom-up free market work, or some combination of both.


EFF seems to be making a habit of backing these worryingly pernicious bills.


Could you provide examples? I've not personally heard of the EFF backing anything worrying.


worrying != worryingly pernicious

The bill does nothing of substance. That's the problem. It's a waste of resources for the EFF and frankly makes me wonder how they're spending my (and others') money.


They are the most publicly visible electronic rights organization. It would make sense that they'd been compromised a long time ago.


There is little evidence of that. The EFF is still very valuable to electronic freedom. This bill simply used to be much better in earlier versions.


That's true, but the comment was speculation, not accusation.


> Statistically speaking, more users get owned via web browsers than via native apps

Source? Seems like a long stretch, especially if you factor in non-windows desktops and all mobile devices.

If you really are concerned about security wouldn't you rather trust basically just Apple and Google or Apple, Google, and every native app developer in the app store?

Having a load of random apps installed on your smartphone is simply less secure than than just using that functionality within a sandboxed and standardised web browser that goes through endless routine security updates.


No,

Its much easier to chose what to install from an app store. If you click on the wrong link, or if you receive malvertising, boom! vulnerabilities in this could cause your phone to be infected.


> The Garden City Police Department had cannabis oil activist Shona Banda’s Facebook account shutdown

Citation needed


Her profile appears in my friends' list but when you click on it, it goes nowhere and opens back up my feed.


Great, but where does that prove the police were involved? The source article mentioned no evidence for that, and it doesn't strike me as the most reputable source in any event.


She doesn't seem to have taken it down. Facebook doesn't generally take down random peoples accounts.

The simplest explanation is that it was taken down against her will. Likely by someone with pseudo-legal authority to do that.

i.e. "legal" authority, even if the application of that authority doesn't actually follow the law.


I simply think that when presented a dubious claim with no evidence from a shady source we should be skeptical.


Are you suggesting the page was shut down on purpose to prompt internet mob support already? If so, seems it worked.


How do you know which profile is hers? I noticed a bunch of Shona Banda related fb pages, but none that I can confirm are affiliated. I am wary of opportunist scammers who would pose as her and try to shunt donations to accounts they control.


I was friends with her prior to this.

Her profile is working now. Not deleted but something was broken with it earlier.


All arguments can lean you strange places. They're inconsequential if they don't.

Luckily, the modern pragmatist is also socially aware.


You seem to be judging the worth of an argument by the "strangeness" of its implications. That's a curious standard.


I think we would all agree that persuasiveness is an axis upon which to judge arguments. "Strangeness" is far out there on the persuasive axis.

Maybe so far out there that Richard Dawkins and Neil Degrasse Tyson are arguing in the other room... but its on the axis somewhere.


Why does it need to be official?


Plugins can and do work well some of the time. Other times they don't.

If something has been brought into the main package, its usually a sign of maturity, and stability and usefulness to a large number of people.


I guess money and a degree from MIT makes the code look/smell better?


ITT: People complaining that a technology isn't mature because some features rely on 3rd party plugins. Please -- name one technology that doesn't.


Meteor is like Unix; some people want Windows!


I don't understand this comparison. Meteor makes things simpler and removes a lot of low-level complexity. It makes software development simpler. By "some people want Windows", it sounds like you're suggesting that there's a better platform/framework for web development that's "plug-and-play" ready -- so easy that a non-developer could use it. I actually think that Meteor is the closest thing to this, and is the very best starting point for new developers. To this thread's question, it's also great for large applications. But at the end of the day, it's still web development -- you need to learn JavaScript, Mongo, html, CSS.


There are such monolithic plug&play frameworks, targeted at line-of-business apps: Wakanda and Servoy.


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