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Carbs are also great. My xr650r can sit in a shed for 300 years and if it was clean when stored will start up in 2 kicks or at worst in 15min after opening the bowl with one screwdriver and cleaning the jets.

There is no fuel pump to break (or weight the bike down), I could run the carb with a soda bottle if I had to. There are no complex computers to break and brick the bike.

Beyond the reliability, the real value of the carbs is the FEEL. This bike is analog, the rumbling sounds, the brilliant popping and gurgle on deceleration. Its a motorcycle, mechanical gear changes, cable operated throttle, controlled explosions.

We loose something with tft displays, riding modes, non analog throttles, and every granny safety algorithm in between our brains and the rear tire.


> We loose something with tft displays, riding modes, non analog throttles, and every granny safety algorithm in between our brains and the rear tire.

My EFI bike has none of these.

EFI is just fuel metering. And properly designed EFI can theoretically do even better at a carb at doing what you've commanded the bike to do, because it can adjust fuel mapping in many more dimensions than a couple of needles.

I love my carb'd bike for what it is, but it ain't any better at doing what I've told it to do. It has character, and I can appreciate it for what it is, but it is not more precise or direct in feel than my EFI bike.

> There is no fuel pump to break

Some carb'd bikes have fuel pumps


Car guys are almost completely unable to understand the "feel" difference you're talking about between carburetors and EFI because the car's controls are separated by so many levels from the engine and basically all street cars have such huge flywheel mass that you can't really feel what the engine is doing.

And the # of people who ever drove a car that had separate throttle butterflies + carbs for each cylinder is miniscule. Even with EFI not many people have driven a car that is built like a motorcycle. Pretty much only supercars are built that way.

Most cars with carbs seem to have had far more issues than bikes too.


Lots of fairly pedestrian late 50s and 60s cars had multiple carbs and synchronization procedures needed to get them to be streetable. (These were common on physically long L6 (inline) engines.)

I’d bet a fair number of old people and old car enthusiasts have driven them.

My 65 and 66 Mustangs run great as long as I don’t let modern ethanol-polluted gas sit in them.


> a car that had separate throttle butterflies + carbs for each cylinder

What cars had these?

I imagine it makes for an amazingly close interaction between driver and vehicle


Many cars for fuel efficiency or performance.

In modern fuel injected cars, secondary intake and fuel injection systems get more complex with rpm; typically its about 3500 rpm or 50% throttle position cause a different fuel map, an intake runner flapper, and for the last 30 years, some automatic cam timing adjustment.


yeah, I'm familiar with the modern fuel injection engines - this conversation was about carburretor engines


They're not all that fancy. My dad's 1967 Volvo 122s had two carbs for a four cylinder engine. It always failed the emissions test and I can't say that it ever purred like a cat.


Hard to imagine a 67 on an emissions test, I'd guess that would be grandfathered.


What a shitty company. Time and time again they shaft consumers yet people buy into the ecosystem. Marketing works unfortunately.


Apple has by far the longest support for older devices in the industry.

1 phone that’s not thrown away is 1000s of parts saved.


And how many phones+tablets are throw away due to the inevitable expiry of glued-in non-user-replaceable batteries?


You're right.

They should trade them in to Apple, who have one of the best recycling programs amongst hardware vendors. ;P


> Apple has by far the longest support for older devices in the industry.

Depends if you count community support or not because nobody beats Lineageos at this game.


I am 100% sure that more 2nd-3rd user iphones are circulating in active use than the lineage os downloads summed together ever. Like, it’s not really a thing for the general populace.


Maybe but in the meantime, I can still install Android 12 on a Galaxy S4 and use it everyday whereas the iPhone 5 is now just ewaste.


Galaxy S4 release date: 2013

iPhone 5s release date: 2013

Last official update from galaxy s4: Android 5.0.1 in 2015 [1]

Last official update to iPhone 5s: iOS 12.5.7 in 2023 [2]

I’m well aware that you’re speaking of custom roms, but insinuating that this is solving ewaste issues is disingenuous at best. No ewaste is fixed by us nerds flashing custom roms through adb incantations in out of support hardware.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S4#Updates

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_version_history


And despite all of that, I can still use the Galaxy S4 (or even the Galaxy S3 if you really cared, specs are a bit low but it still works) as a daily driver with a modern Android version whereas the iPhone 5 or the iPhone 4 can only end up in the bin, there's nothing to be done about it.

Maybe that's a lesson to learn that we should require open bootloaders and more open systems to reduce ewaste. If Android devices were more opened, this amazing effort to save devices could be even better. As we go forward, more and more older devices will simply be good enough if you could just install software updates onto it.

And as of "nerds", I may point out that the general public doesn't reinstall their windows either and just go to a repair shop.


https://reddit.com/r/Android/comments/13i7gbb/just_saw_someo...

As anecdotal experience, the same age (or even older) iphones are also being used by many.


You technical can yes but Iphones of that age are as good as bricks in my opinion though, the browser isn't updated and is terrible and you can't install any normal app anymore.


I love these complaints that are so obviously from a tech bubble. I see so many senior citizens with iPhones, they must be buying the hype…


I honestly don’t get this sentiment, and why Apple is targeted for these — this is objectively the one category where Apple is unlike every other phone manufacturer. How many people walk around with 8 years old any Android phones? I bet that number is insanely small, yet I see it everyday in case of iphones, which manage to get 2 or even 3 owners in their lifetime.

Look at the resell value of any other phone, it basically drops to zero the moment you open the box, while even older iphones get sold for very fair prices. And getting that many years out of a phone is absolutely stellar.


Perhaps, but their policies and support for old hardware far exceeds anything you see in the Android world. But you point out THIS "shitty company" while not throwing your gaze towards all the other "shitty companies" like Samsung, or Google, or Sony, or Microsoft. Could it be that your disdain for the type of people that buy Apple products just rings through? The tried and true "them" vs "me" attitude.

Personally, I just let strangers like what they want to like. WTF do I care if they like this phone instead of this other phone.


They’re all doing things like this, yes. That doesn’t make Apple any less bad though, it just means we need to fix it everywhere

Interestingly Microsoft actually seems to be supporting right to repair but it could be some kind of PR stunt, still though that’s a good step forward


> That doesn’t make Apple any less bad though

It literally does - their devices easily reach 8-10 years of active usage, and we are talking about something that is used more than your shoes per day, actively charged-discharged each day, thrown around/fallen down, etc. Like that’s a great lifetime however we look at it, and it might need one or two battery replacements max for that.


When you do need a battery replacement, you should be able to do it through whoever you want, not just Apple


The problem is Apple pisses on your head and tells you is clean water from a natural spring that is helping save the environment.

Samsung does shitty things, but they are open and honest about it.


The entire point is that yes, all of them are doing it and Apple isn't this golden savior among them that some make them out to be. They trump everyone else in certain aspects like longevity of software updates and privacy, doesn't mean they don't partake in costumer-hostile actions nor does it mean we should excuse those.


We will only see a monopoly if there is protectionism. Regulations, licensing, do not compete patents, etc.


Its called puritan pandering for clicks.


Being against exploitation is puritan?


The question is if the current website even had exploitation issues for anyone to complain about. As far as I can tell it's as ethical as it can get on the internet as PH is right now


Pornhub, a few years ago, wasn't this strict. It was a hotbed for revenge porn. Because it's now cleaned up, because it had to, doesn't mean companies like Visa and Mastercard have to come back and work with it.


That wasn't the point. Visa and master getting more and more irrelevant and porn Industrie being once again a driving factor in this process is a good thing.

The point was that there is no reason to blame the current PH for their ethical standards, or rather that I think we should appreciate good standards and make them an actual standard instead of playing the blame game


> That wasn't the point.

What's the point then? It's not "puritan pandering".

They screwed up as a company, and other companies stopped working with them. Because they cleaned up their act doesn't mean those same companies are required to come back to the table otherwise it's puritan pandering. Because they now have "ethical standards" does not mean the context of how they ended up in this situation suddenly poofs.


> Because they cleaned up their act doesn't mean those same companies are required to come back to the table otherwise

on the other hand if there is no benefit to cleaning up ones act why ever do it?


"Exploitation" is a word that can be easily twisted to mean whatever you want it to mean. So, using these words in an emotional, irrational appeal may be puritan, but most of all it's intellectually dishonest and manipulative.


So, Puritan can't be twisted? Using isn't being emotional and irrational?


There is an obvious answer. The military needs to be mainly focused on Homeland defense, as it was intended. Being world police is stupid and wastefull. Its bankrupted us just like every empire that over extends itself (and debases its currency).


Seems non-obvious to me. The world currency is the dollar presently. We protect the trade routes around the world. Remove that protection, those trade routes will no longer be in our favor. Whoever controls them will set up tariffs to massively hurt the US and benefit themselves.

Put another way, how do you think the US would fare long term if China and Russia controlled all international trade?


> We protect the trade routes around the world.

From whom exactly?


Incompetence or happy to let it happen.


This is exactly what this is about. They are trying to make legal mass drag net surveillance and censorship. The key here is legal, they are already doing it covertly. There are plenty of murmurs this was done on purpose to set the excuse in place for restrict act, etc. Do you use a vpn? 20 years or a million dollar fine. Do you use tor? How about encrypted email? Signal? Crypto currency?

We look more like china everyday.


It was always part of the deal that "God's watching". You just had to believe it before, and now it's kind of literal.

I'm not trying to hide and I don't want to see everybody's lives.

When more people let go of hiding in humility, and do not want to see everything... we could manifest a new America, that didn't start in Plymouth.

The increase of the (now electronic) overseers, makes us more like the 1600s New England. China is playing catch up.


Most cryptocurrencies make dragnet surveillance super easy, barely an inconvenience.


This. While there are benefits to most religions (community being the biggest) it comes along with insane and very often deadly noise, be it ignorant, purposely wrong or errors in translations or lost information through time, editors, gatekeepers.

The closest path to god is reality, from personal observation ad questions.


They introduce top down decisions on what is a bottom up complex emergent system. Beyond being an exercise in futility to control it that way, it introduces irrationality to the whole thing as it becomes a politically driven thing. That irrationality makes everything else behave that way and we loose any sense of "natural" trends and predictability. The bailouts are a perfect example, we are now surrounded by zombie companies and uninteted consequences which are making the whole thing more fragile and unstable.


This. People like slapping laws on issues when the outcome is usually higher costs in the form of never shrinking burocrazys, little to no actual enforcement (unless you are rich or connected) and the red tape involved in compliance will likely make it worse.

The answer is by adopting different behavior on our end. Add blockers avoiding services litterer in ads (its why i no longer use Instagram, google search, etc)


> The answer is by adopting different behavior on our end.

This tactic has not succeeded even once since written records began. Did snake oil salesmen disappear because we ran out of gullible people?

Give me one example when this approach succeeded, without any corresponding legislation


>Give me one example when this approach succeeded, without any corresponding legislation

I think he's describing when the market dethrones an entrenched player without legislation. This happens quite often. Cable companies come to mind. Kodak, Novell, Sun Microsystems, etc.

Like he said, regulation today serves the wealthiest companies, because startups, the ones that do the dethroning, have extra costs that are more difficult to afford. I believe it fits in the Barrier to Entry category.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/barrierstoentry.asp

If you want real regulation, you need to look to the anti-trust laws, but our current politicians don't have the stomach for that. Today's regulation really tends to serve the already entrenched, because the entrenched usually write the regulation.


my understanding is that his example referred to consumers boycotting a business. I could not find a successful example.

When a business gets replaced by a conpetitor, that's a diffetent mechanism


Ah ok. Yes, I remember it companies changing their behavior due to boycotts in the 80s and 90s but not since. I suspect companies are too big and too global and have too good PR.


Popup and popunder ads?

Email spam filtering?

Web notification spam is much reduced since browsers made it a modal?


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