This is also my conclusion, in the same way that if you get into a fender-bender there, you junk the car because it's dishonorable to drive the car after you got into a [minor] accident.
Really? Wow! So different. Although with repair cost and complexity increasing, many more cars are totaled / written off than used to be here in the US. Particularly EV’s.
I heard houses were a depreciating asset in Japan too.
The reason houses in Japan are such a depreciating asset is due to the population collapse. It's estimated there is a surplus of about 10 million houses.
Why do you feel That Tesla FSD is "buggy shit"? No, it's not perfect, but it is mindblowingly amazing. At the current state I'm quite happy with what I paid for it. I've driven over a million miles in the last 35+ years, it's quite nice to have my car drive me now.
I don't know, watching cars teleporting around doesn't I still me with confidence. That's just the most surface level problem I saw during my brief experience.
Great, quote the Dawn Project. You know that's a failing autopilot competitor that's faking videos. Look it up on YouTube, there's analysis videos showing that the Dawn Project is lying.
They do not make an Autopilot competitor. Lie number 1.
They did not fake the videos.
The original claim that FSD was not enabled was a lie made up before the raw video was released. As soon as the raw video was released proving it was enabled they were forced to recant due to video evidence of their lies. Lie number 2.
The Tesla content creators then claimed the steering wheel was being moved because hands were on the wheel (even though Tesla claims this is how it is meant to be used). Video does not clearly show wheel torque, so they were able to lie with impunity. Subsequent videos then showed hands clearly off the wheel before impact making it impossible for the Tesla content creators to lie about that. Lie number 3.
The Tesla content creators then claimed the accelerator was being pressed because the accelerator was not on video allowing them to were lie with impunity. Subsequent videos then showed the accelerator in the video with foot clearly off making it impossible for the Tesla content creators to lie about that. Lie number 4.
The Tesla content creators you point at are habitual liars who consistently and deliberately lie about what is not visible only to be repeatedly proven to be lying through more thorough video documentation while the Dawn Project has been shown to be truthful and accurate in all cases. Truly sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Waymo and Cruise make a car autonomous allowing it to drive with no driver in the seat for tens of thousands of miles on average between incidents.
Tesla FSD requires a driver in the seat to be operated safely, and explicitly does not make the car autonomous as stated on their website [1]. Tesla FSD is explicitly not labeled as a Autonomous Driving System (ADS) by Tesla to avoid mandatory NHTSA [2] and CA DMV [3][4] incident reporting requirements and Tesla does not and has not ever had a driverless testing permit. For that matter, although Tesla does have a permit for ADS testing with a safety driver, they have not done any in years.
In addition, Tesla FSD is lucky to go a few tens to low hundreds of miles between safety-critical interventions (hard to get reliable numbers since Tesla does not report official numbers). Waymo and Cruise with a safety driver average tens of thousands [5]; literally 100x-1000x better.
This analysis also ignores qualitative differences in ability, like how Tesla FSD still can not recognize basic signs such as “Do Not Enter” and “One Way”. It is lacking even basic functionality.
Cruise/Waymo precisely map out their driving areas and if anything changes too much, the cars shut down. A TV news crew took a ride in one, and the car parked diagonally in the road, where they had to wait 20 minutes for the company to send out a human driver.
Tesla is attempting something different: driving anywhere, just like a human can drive anywhere. It's a more difficult problem so it takes longer.
Tesla FSD is not autonomous anywhere. It operates 100x-1000x worse than Waymo and Cruise which are themselves still inadequate by a factor of 10x-100x for safe general commercial deployment.
Saying that Tesla is trying to solve a harder problem when they are a factor of 10,000x from solving the “easier” ones is the height of wishful thinking.
Besides, Waymo and Cruise are solving the general problem. The baseless assertion that driving the breadth of a city like San Francisco or Phoenix is somehow not representative of general driving is ludicrous on its face. Humans who learn in one city generally have the ability to drive in most other cities. The skills are largely transferable.
Waymo and Cruise take a slow and measured approach, validating in a well defined and constrained domain not because they could not operate everywhere 1,000x better than Tesla FSD, but because allowing a system only 1,000x better than Tesla FSD on the road without careful supervision is fucking criminal.
I haven't, although I've watched a good number of videos from recent betas.
In terms of traditional automakers and systems that anyone can buy, Tesla is the leader (although I believe hyundai has a very good highway system, not city though). But in terms of self-driving, it's hard to rank precisely but they're certainly nowhere near, say, Waymo.
Plenty of people enjoy FSD and understand that they still have to correct it every so often but to a lot of people "self-driving" means just that.
There is no auditable evidence that it is 5x safer than a human. The 5x safer number is a number self-reported by the Tesla marketing department [1].
This “safety report” consists of three unverified “miles per crash” ratios with no underlying raw data. They do not even publish the raw number of “miles” or “crashes” used in their analysis.
It is a “safety report” where they can not even be bothered to publish the numerator or denominator, let alone publishing their methodology, analysis, controlling for variables, or accounting for bias. No self-respecting scientist or engineer would be caught dead issuing such a deficient report.
In contrast, here is the report by Waymo on their first million driverless miles [2]. As you can see, it follows the basic structure of a research paper. It offers a detailed description and analysis of every individual crash. The difference in reporting is the gap between a grade school report and a proper research paper.
It is an abomination that Tesla is allowed to publish such unsupported and misleading “statistics” just they can more effectively market a incomplete and unsafe product to unsuspecting consumers.
Exactly, I don't want an ugly car. One of the numerous things I love about my Model Y is how awesome it looks. Screw the Ford, GM, Chrysler, Subi, Toyota, etc bars of soap.
