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its from one of the content moderators. they are all hired and managed through recruiting agency. there was over 10k of us while I was there. and most people are just kids with one week of on boarding doing short term contract. whoever did it is blackballed by biggest recruiting agency in the world. way to get your life crazy difficult over reddit points


My favourite are the one that leaked a tank data on a discord just to prove that they were right.


The number of state secrets protected by a 20 year old E-4 whose only motivation is to not get chewed out (and/or jail) is probably staggering.



A lot of these tank "leaks" are just PDF's of manuals you can buy on ebay. They're restricted but legal to own. It only becomes illegal when you export them to other countries.


I believe what GP is referring to is the Air Force National Guardsman who's going to jail for leaking classified intelligence on a discord server to prove he was right. I don't think it was actually about tanks, just that it happened in a WarFrame discord (or something like that).


Being prosecuted and imprisoned by the federal government is far more motivation than being terminated from a low paying job.


> whoever did it is blackballed by biggest recruiting agency in the world. way to get your life crazy difficult over reddit points

I think you're overvaluing the power of recruiting agencies


> way to get your life crazy difficult over reddit points

"Google says it was "non-intentional" because they only showed it to a friend", I don't think they purposely leaked it for internet clout


Great, "it was only a friend" is the same thing anyone says when caught revealing a secret that was meant to "remain between us". That's a load of horseshit for an excuse.


so youtube content moderators can just view anyone's private videos willy nilly?


Yes, this is typically how moderation works on any platform. Unless it is encrypted it's not "private".


If it's a truly private video, it should be only visible by moderation when logged in as a moderator.

If it was an unlisted video, the moderator would just need to know the reference code (URL) for the video, and could share it with anyone.


As mentioned in the article, the original leak was a screenshot from admin.youtube.com


No, it's not. Typically moderators can view content that needs moderation, i.e. is visible to other users. There is no reason to give them access to all private videos, which are different from unlisted.


Yes it is. You can keep saying "no it's not" until the cows come home, but every single bit of unencrypted content (and possibly well known hashes of encrypted content) is subject to moderation on any large corporate property.


If you have confidential data don't upload it to Youtube, or really anybody else's servers.


They can view videos they are assigned to review, but they can't just pull up a random private video.


I never knew Youtube did child labour?


In many states its legal for people 16-18 to work, usually with limitations on hours worked per shift/week an what kind of jobs they can do.

Even then, many older people in the US will call someone 18-20 "kids", even though they're technically adults.

As a US English speaker I took it to mean "a bunch of young and immature people, probably on their first job" when I heard "most people are just kids", not that they're literally hiring 12 year olds or something.


In all 50 states it is legal for people 16+ to work full time.


I can't say I know the law in every state so I typically don't say absolutes like that. If that's true, thanks for clarifying/correcting.

Also, it looks like you're right for at least the states I normally deal with. Looking back the first job I had started when I was still 15, I must have just blended those shift schedule restrictions during the rest of my time working as 16-17 as well. So yeah, I guess that's probably true.


> Even then, many older people in the US will call someone 18-20 "kids", even though they're technically adults.

In my head I felt like my peers in college were "kids". I didn't feel like we were "adults" until we were in our mid-20s.


Kids are literally dying in Tyson affiliated chicken plants down south and nobody is going to prison.

Why WOULDN'T youtube use child labor if it's cheaper?


Are you arguing we should just assume every single employer uses child labor because some places use child labor?

I take it you're also arguing Y Combinator also uses child labor? Mozilla? Spotify? Your employer? I mean, why WOULDN'T they?

I imagine you probably probably hire child labor as well. After all, why WOULDN'T you?

Its probably child labor that keeps this site running. After all, why WOULDN'T they hire kids to keep this site up?

Or maybe there are reasons why people avoid child labor in many places.


https://www.dol.gov/newsroom/releases/whd/whd20230206-2

Violating labor laws with children is actually really common, and plenty of places DO abuse young labor. It is NOT avoided

Do you think all the workers in your company's call center in some random country are all truthfully 18? Hell, do you think none of them are working against their will?


Some places hiring child labor != all places hiring child labor.

I do agree there's too much illegal child labor going on in the US and around the world, but its a stretch to assume everyone hires child labor.

Otherwise, why won't you stop hiring child labor? You've probably hired someone to do some kind of work around your home at least once, I take it you most definitely hired children then. After all, apparently everyone does it.

Why WOULDN'T mrguyorama hire child labor to do the plumbing around his home or to do his lawn work?!


>Why WOULDN'T mrguyorama hire child labor to do the plumbing around his home or to do his lawn work?!

If I had a lawn and a neighborhood with young children who were bored during the summer, I WOULD hire a child to mow it, and in fact I am hiring a child (girlfriend's younger brother) to watch our cat during a vacation!

Before child labor was significantly stamped out through aggressive labor laws, average people hired child labor all the time. Little timmy was out selling papers, little stephanie selling flowers, Paul was cleaning the chimney, and every other kid was working in the coal mine or textile mill, for absurdly low wages (even for the time!), with absurdly high injury rates, for 12 hour days.

Child labor was HUGE, and if we don't aggressively stamp it out, it WILL creep back into what we largely consider normal. Southern US states are already trying to push laws onto the books that weaken the laws against child labor.

I don't know how to make this more clear: If Youtube could get away with hiring 10k literal children and pay them peanuts to do all the moderation work, they would, conscience and honor and ethics be damned, like they always are.

I mean christ, look at Roblox!


When companies can get away with it (read: they abide by all laws) why would they not? It is cheaper and money is prime directive number one. Do you actually think companies make money and have a finely tuned moral compass at the same time?

I made the parent comment exactly for this discussion. Do not assume corporations have a moral compass. They do not care and will outsource each and everything if that is cheaper than handling stuff themselves.Why is it chaeaper to pay some people to get the law on your side than actually start doing normal human moral behaviour? Why can they actually outsource responsibility at all? Strange planet we live on.


Have you seen those toy review channels or those family youtubers?


most Latin text have been translated once and more then 100 years ago while most ancient Arabic text have never been translated. this is an old problem.

I see AI as savior here esp with reconstructing old languages we only have small amount of text saved


Which oldest Arabic text do you mean?

Most ancient texts (i.e. Egyptian papyri) are expected to be of too little use to even scan, let alone translate.


AI is not here to dumb down anything but automate tasks and find and reveal complexity esp hidden complexity. Humans are limited by their short and long term memory and bandwidth esp in modern digital environment.

I would still rate opportunity gap as higher priority over understanding complexity. its still funny when people try to be digital nomads just to discover geopolitics or time zones


Finally a topic I mastered. As very very late started and IT outsider until recently:

Show up 15 - 30 minutes early to work and pick the most useful skill upgrade that will get you promoted or make your job easier / make you faster.

This is bare minimum to get constant promotions. Stay 15 min after work and do quick analysis what did you do and how to do it better.

During work always volunteer for documentation or training. Make sure you squeeze little research into both. And do proper detailed paperwork for both.

Harass your boss for training, labs, conferences at every moment esp when someone compliments either you learning something new or your performance / execution.

Study vacations. I have 25 days off and 5 of those are for intensive courses. somewhere interesting. This does not have to be directly related to job skills. You still have to be social and talk to people so language learning and cooking /dancing abroad is still beneficial.

Once you train yourself how to do this try not to think and stress about it. Learning needs to be intense but with playful fun approach and mood.


As someone who worked in finance I call b.s.

When you need to do any infrastructure change not to mention data manipulation it takes million signatures and meetings. Like 13 meetings to deal with one ex employee corporate cloud folder.

Unless they end up in court. Then somehow million things happen on their own in their benefit.


As someone who has done support for finance's IT departments, the "this was broken for years and no-one noticed" idea sounds bang-on. I've watched the millions of signatures and meetings, but none of that matters when someone screws up the implementation (but not badly enough that anyone cares to complain).


Seconding this. You can have all the meetings you want, but at the end of the day the core competency of bank management is managing money and not managing IT, and banks suck at managing IT when it isn’t directly in the critical path of cash flow, and even then they get it wrong more often than anyone wants to admit.


So many people want to be "the person who orders the thing be done" and not "the person who does the thing".

Dysfunctional organizations have (somebody-else-is-doing-it / im-doing-it) ratios that get way out of control. There's also (talking-about-doing-it / doing-it), where dysfunctional orgs lose the ability to experiment.


That was part of a legal case or publicly reported failure?


Also backups.

This is just corporate "The IT dept ate my homework."

It's a ridiculous excuse, "punished" with a trivial fine.


Backing up the email database is probably a bad idea for an org like this, because they have data that isn’t allowed to be backed up.

I had a customer that got accidentally sent confidential data to the wrong email address and it was backed up for multiple months. In the end we left it in there but they considered deleting all the backups that contained this email.

That is a good reason for having short lived backups and an archiving solution with retention policies emails.


Yes it takes a million meetings, but at the end of the day it's just one IT guy making the change.

It's exponentially expensive to eliminate the base-rate of a "whoops", and not everyone has NASA-level money to waste on IT.


JP Morgan does, though.

They likely spend all of it on the million meetings full of people who wouldn't actually be executing the change, next to none of it on the team and infrastructure where the change will be made, and then fire the team who made the change.


Maybe not everyone, but if JPM doesn't then who does?


JP Morgan and other similarly acting agents in finance have become literal economic cancer tumors, attracting undue angiogenesis and convincing the body that excision is fatal all while leading it to its demise.

We haven't figured out how to cure cancer in humans because we turn a blind eye to it when we create it ourselves.


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