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Well now I'm confused, is that not what their talking about in this article?


Only black people museums can have black people things. Racist bullshit.


Did iOS get rid of the "turn off banner notifications," or whatever it's called, in settings?


Either thermodynamics is wrong, or you are undisciplined. Which do you think is more likely?


How much calories your body extracts from food and subsequently stores is not a constant. The thermodynamics argument basically ignores how human body works, but hey, it is simple.


No one is saying calorie intake should be constant.


Imagine we study you for a year. We put you in a box, we control your food intake; we strictly monitor the amount of exercise you get.

The first six months you stay the weight you are now. We then introduce a single change: we put you on antipsychotic medication. Nothing else changes: you're eating the same type of food and in the same quantities.

You will gain weight.

Is that because thermodynamics is broken? No.

Is it because you're "undisciplined"? No.

Is it because the antipsychotic medication is full of delicious calories? No.

It's because your carbohydrate pathwathway has been altered, and you now process carbs differently to how you used to.


So your calories out is modified. Not sure what you're trying to disprove.


Don't worry about carbohydrate pathways, if you gain weight, then adapt your food intake (or excercise).

Bodybuilders and martial artists do this all the time.


Dopamine antagonists shift patterns toward favoring fat storage over muscle building/maintenance. They don't just reduce the amount of calories burned, they screw up the low-level regulatory mechanisms. AFAIK you basically have to starve yourself to bring blood sugar down to normal levels, and of course that's unsustainable.


The fact that your body can change the number of calories it burn disproves nothing. For example, the more weight you lose the fewer calories you burn, thus your calorie intake must lower to sustain the same deficit.


It's not helpful because some food are more calorie dense than others? How does that make sense?


That's not a fair summary of the comment.


No wonder the robots decided to use us for batteries.


>Calories in, calories out is not the golden rule, and this has been scientifically proven false.

No. If the laws of thermodynamics had been proven false, we would have heard of it.


The issue with the simplifying "calories in == calories out" is that conservation of energy is being applied over the wrong system. Our bodies are not 100% efficient at extracting energy from food, and to GP's point respond differently to different types of foods.


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Please stop.


Can I ask why I'm being singled out here?

Edit: And why can't I post anymore?


Your posts stood out (e.g. as rapid, aggressive, and unsubstantive) on a flamewar-prone topic. It's possible that others did worse and we didn't see it; we don't see everything or even close, so that's always the likeliest explanation.

When accounts do that, we sometimes rate-limit them. It's not great but it's one of the few tools we have for protecting HN from the destructive effects of such discussions. If people want not to be rate-limited and are willing to commit to posting civil, substantive comments only in the future, they're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com.


Well, I would have deleted my "rabid," "aggressive," and "unsubstantive" comments, but apparently you've decided your users don't deserve the right to retract statements when they get off topic.


That would be "rapid", not "rabid"!

HN's window for comment deletion is fairly short because the threads are shared by the community. Letting people go back and delete comments after the fact would destroy the context necessary to understand them. So HN's policy has always been to leave most history intact even when the thread was regrettable. (I say 'most' because we do occasionally delete a comment when a user is worried about getting in trouble from it.)


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Thermodynamic laws certainly apply, but you just can't measure all the variables properly. Trying to apply that kind of input/output calculations on such a complicated bio-chemical model like human body is just a naive over-simplification. First you would need to calculate the caloric value of your complete excrements (including sweat), before you even know what the actual energy input is. Than you would need to measure precise oxygen used by body and the heat produced to be able to know how much of it is used by body. Not to mention that you even don't know the exact caloric values of the food that you eat. Guesstimates of this whole process that we have in a form of calorie tables and calculators are only a rough guidelines, not exact science, and that's why in real-life numbers never add up. Not because human body somehow breaks the laws of physics, but because popular calculations completely ignore a lot of biochemical nuances. How efficient is your guts in digesting different types of food, which pathway is used to turn that food into the energy and how efficiently due to levels of specific enzymes, does your body (due to the current hormonal levels) prefer to store the calories or to burn them, how efficiently you muscles are using that energy (depending on you height, weight, age, sex, health), and many, many other little details that all count.


The only problem is that calories in = calories out assumes a steady-state where there is no change in internal energy (dU/dt), which is not a good assumption.


The change in internal energy is negligible. The only exception is medical disorder.

If you want to lose weight and you are not, eat less. If the amount you eat goes below say 1200 calories and you're still not losing weight, go to a doctor.

It's that simple.


It's just not that simple, and that's the issue. And this kind of over-simplification can lead to a lot of victim blaming.

The role of sugar (especially fructose) and carbohydrate intake in obesity is very important, and there's far more to it than that.

I think it'd be a lot more challenging for someone to be obese with the same caloric amount of avocados than cheetos, for example.


When it comes to obesity the victim is to blame.

>I think it'd be a lot more challenging for someone to be obese with the same caloric amount of avocados than cheetos, for example

As I've said elsewhere, the fact that some foods are more calorie dense than other is irrelevant.


The person who does the eating is the one who gets fat, yes. But if that person is eating low quality, highly processed foods with ingredients that are far more likely to cause metabolic dysfunction, then it's not just an issue of portion size (and yes, eating too much is definitely an issue too).

And I was saying for the _same_ caloric amount, regardless of density. Never mind though, pretty clear you're a troll.


> "A calorie is a calorie" violates the second law of thermodynamics

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC506782/


That paper is defining a calorie as the chemical make up of a particular macronutrient. Which is wrong. A calorie is a unit of measure of energy.

Plus, if something violated a law of thermodynamics, that law would have changed. And it hasn't.


I probably should have added more comment, but the point is the "Calorie is a calorie" argument as applied to diet was pretty thoroughly debunked over decade ago. Calorie counting is a poor predictor of weight, while source of calories is a much stronger predictor. However, plenty of other people have commenting with more detailed explanations as to why, so I won't go on.


>Am I really that much of an outlier?

No. Most people just live. They go to work, they go home, they sleep, maybe have a few drinks on the weekends, but their lives are not driven by fear of some nebulous thing like guns or terrorism. As a general rule most people's lives are not affected by the scary things on the news, save for the content of their facebook timelines.


>It must be just the very young crowd, that hasn't gotten completely sick of it by now

Also the older crowd. My mother loves telling me what she saw on facebook. I'd be willing to bet it's just the millennial demographic in the middle that shows low social media usage.

EDIT: Btw, which news sites?


Would be interesting to see that graph, though I suspect we never will.

Edit: Quick scan of google news, and arstechnica is basically enough to get today's info out of the way.


He excluded the countries that were already excluded under Obama's executive orders on immigration. This isn't new foreign policy, just a strengthened one.


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