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Inline evaluation is overwhelmingly what I miss from vim-fireplace when I moved to Cursive. Having said that, the code navigation tools are so much better.


Yeah, but it's unprofessional in just the right ways, which signals sophistication lol.


Learn Clojure. Then you can spend the rest of your life building with hand tools, lol: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShEez0JkOFw

(Seriously, though, Clojure is awesome—but occasionally I miss the guardrails of a framework.)


Wholeheartedly agree. I can't help but feel with each new article like this that many journalists are watching _their own WFH opportunities_ slip from their fingers.

(FWIW, I'm a fan of fully remote companies; this article just doesn't pass as anything but opinion.)


Work is work, my dudes. And in a tech company that means teamwork and collaboration.

I don’t care what anybody says, zoom and slack are not even remotely close to face to face interactions. Sure it may not always seem that way to a developer who just wants to write code and not care about anything else, but there are lots of important roles besides developer in any tech company worth its weight. Not many of those roles are very amenable to working from home full time. Even developers working on a team, I’d argue, can't contribute 100% working purely from home. Good developers do way more than just write code. They mentor, help shape the product with UX and business people, etc. All that requires face time.

If devs want to work remote, I highly recommend becoming a contractor / consultant. Remote and contract work go together like peas and carrots. You get fed largely spec’d work, don’t really need to care about office politics, etc… There are plenty of cons… you also become your own collection agency cause dudes can take months paying you. But if remote is what you want, contracting is the best.

Anyway, this became kind of a ramble.


I cannot agree with your thesis. There are fully remote companies (using Zoom and Slack primarily) with hundreds of people generating well over $100M in ARR worth billions of dollars. You are free to your opinion, but the data doesn’t support your conclusion. Teamwork and collaboration can and does work fully remote, whether you’re in engineering, bizops, product, or customer experience. Entire legacy enterprises went remote virtually overnight due to COVID and continued to hum along for well over 15 months.

Remote skills are the new “computer skills.” If your org sucks, yeah, remote isn’t going to work. That’s not an issue with a remote operating model, it’s because your org sucks to begin with (whether that’s due to ineffective line managers, failure of executive leadership to cultivate the appropriate culture, what have you). If your org sucks, I recommend voting with your feet.


I'd also say that this past year was a bad example of remote. Of course remote isn't going to work for an org that is used to everyone in office up until March 2020. You break everyone out of so many habits - no more commute time, no more prepared food, no more professionally cleaned workspace, no "built-in" work/home separation. Those factors alone are going to bottom out productivity while people figure things out.

Remote really requires a specific type of person, and a curated environment. Having a "place' separated just for work is a huge boon, and many people used to going into an office just don't have that. I think that is ultimately why orgs built around remote work perfectly fine - the people working there are already in the habit of creating their work/home separation, used to making their own meals, used to keeping their own desk clean (Without outside social pressure to do so.)


Yes there are some remote only companies and it works for them. Like most of life it is hard to determine if they are outliers or something meaningful. I mean I could point to Yahoo, who yanked back all their remote work because people were slacking off.

Not all companies are gonna be remote only. If you want fully remote, go find a place that is fully remote. They have existed for quite some time.

Personally I think we are gonna rapidly revert right back to the mean, which is what life was like back in 2019. The idea that this last year is somehow gonna usher in a new age of remote work is… wishful thinking. Tech companies invest a ton onto their office experience. There is a reason for that.


Yahoo didn’t pull back workers because they were slacking, it was because Marissa Mayer didn’t know how to manage, which is clear from how she managed Yahoo right into the ground.

https://distantjob.com/blog/yeah-but-yahoo-learning-from-rem...

> Which brings us to the ban on remote working. Mayer took over as CEO at Yahoo! in July 2012, so calling everyone into the office in February wasn’t a knee-jerk reaction. The memo, authored by Jackie Reses, says, ‘Some of the best decisions and insights come from hallway and cafeteria discussions, meeting new people, and impromptu team meetings.’ In other words, this is the old water cooler myth rearing it’s ugly head again.

> It wasn’t just regular remote workers who got asked to stay in the office. The email also targeted those who stayed at home when needed, ‘for the rest of us who occasionally have to stay home for the cable guy, please use your best judgment in the spirit of collaboration.’ For whatever reason, Mayer had decided that she wanted her staff in the offices at all times.

With regards to reverting back to the mean, I wish you the best if you’re trying to attract talent. They have options now.


> Mayer had decided that she wanted her staff in the offices at all times.

And when she had a baby, she had Yahoo build a nursery for herself in the office, to give an extra Fuck You to all her employees. Mayer was a Machiavellian corporate climber from her first job out of college as Larry Page's Girlfriend at Google and getting installed as a senior exec before doing any substantial work of any kind.


I don’t disagree with your analysis, but iirc (its been awhile) this was pretext for (essentially) a stealth layoff

It seems extra hostile and punitive because they didn’t necessarily want people to actually “come back”


I just wanna give a shoutout to Facebook for finding a balance between rapid, innovative development on a major library without constantly introducing breaking changes. On the backend I'm a Clojure dev, and this approach has long been a standard in clojure.core which has earned my loyalty for many years. Wish more projects could be like this.


Whilst the major changes are not technically breaking, they are culturally breaking; e.g. ask for help how to do something with classes, and you are likely to get someone telling you to "just use hooks instead". I've never encountered another library whose users are such opinionated assholes.


Who are these jerk users? I'm going to give them a noogie!

In all seriousness, I'm sorry you had such a bad experience. That's not what we want the React community to be. Next time, feel free to tag me or someone else on the core team and we'll tell them to cut it out.


Yeah, it’s a lightbulb moving through a snake.


> The real problem is that they’ve spent years hiring for a type of person where this sort of thing is anathema.

This is dead on: the real issue here is not politics vs. not-politics at work—Basecamp is having a crisis because expectations were broken.


I'm reading this claim every day across so many subjects now—that the goal was racist in origin. Not knowing anything about SF myself, I am however tempted to ask if __classism__ is the better culprit. Classism can masquerade as racism (as in this example), creating the same outcomes, but it requires a different antidote to treat.


To me, the distinction here is not "user-centric" vs. "business centric"—ease of install is also a user-centric value. I think you hit the nail on the head by suggesting it's about power user vs. basic user.


You may be right about funding, but it can also be attributed to incentives: has our desire to eradicate a disease ever been expressed in such an intense way, with the benefits being so enormous?


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