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No. Never. While it’s expected to have a “root” account exempting from logging serves no honest purpose.

I assume the email server you are referring to is the one Elon installed and then fed all sorts of peoples private information to


you use a language where you have all your deps local to the repo? ie go vendor?


you can't do that in government and services people rely on to you know, live. people will die (and i wouldn't be surprised if some already have)

shows a total disregard for the wellbeing of others


or just maybe, and i know its a crazy idea, a certain individual is objectively an awful person who has done great harm in the world and its subjective if its greater or lesser then the good (imho its far greater harms then any good done but i know that is my subjective view)

just because you disagree with a widespread view/opinion does not mean its bots


> done great harm in the world

Can someone enumerate the "great harm" that Elon is doing? I honestly don't see it.


"There are none so blind as those who will not see"


he will bias it toward his views and favoured outcomes like he did twitter

and those are pretty terrible, anti-science, and petty


Is going to?

It already has. America has in three short weeks burned bridges with multiple countries that will not be rebuilt


“I was just following orders” = “I was just following the law”

we do not allow soldiers to get away with war crimes because of it, why should police be any different?


War crimes are an example of not following the law. (And we frequently let them get away with it anyway.)

Not that I’m in favor of any of this, just saying the analogy has diverged from the topic at hand.


international law.

often legal by their countries law hence the excuse "i was just following orders/my laws" being similar to cops "following the law" even in the clear face of it being wrong


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Isn’t the norm not crashing and succeeding? it’s only space x who normalized so many failures to “move fast”?


ULA is pretty remarkable for it's run of new rockets not blowing up. Looking at ESA, JAXA, RosCosmos, ISRO, etc too is how I'm setting the par. A history like the Ariane 5 is pretty typical where flights 1 and 14 failed.


Wouldn't really consider that NewSpace. These are as old as space industry gets...


Yeah, 2 failures is par for OldSpace. NewSpace usually does much worse, though SpaceX's Falcon 9 and Rocket Lab's Electron managed to get the traditional par.


China's various new rockets are another example.


What are you talking about? They'll launch of their own volition!

"Chinese rocket static-fire test results in unintended launch and huge explosion" (30 June 2024)

<https://spacenews.com/chinese-rocket-static-fire-test-result...>

<https://yewtu.be/watch?v=IlQkeKa4IKg> (Shakeycam video)


TBF: that wasn't an unsuccessful launch attempt, but a failure to not launch. Which affirms parent in that they seem to have work out all the kinks out during development.


that wasn't an unsuccessful launch attempt, but a failure to not launch.

My point exactly.


The comment at the root of this thread was specifically addressing making it to orbit on first launch - which a bench test isn't.



Exactly as OP said, launcher failures happen and then you drive down their frequency.

Landing failures are still quite expected, especially on the first few tries. It's weird that they even tried on the first launch, but I don't even think of it as a try, I think of it as a "let's gather some data, and in the freakishly unlikely occurrence that everything goes perfect on the way down, we might as well load the landing software too".


I read about spaceship on one of their launches is that they attempted everything that it could possibly do on one of their boosters because you basically have the next iteration built so why not attempt anything for the telemetry.


Firefly, Rocket Lab and Astra spring to mind as having failed to reach orbit on their first attempt.


Astra drifted on the launch pad before taking off lol


IMO, there are too few entrants to meaningfully draw any conclusions about "the norm" in this industry.


Space shuttle had some harrowing early missions too, just didn’t explode.


Shuttle got very lucky. On the first flight, STS-1, an overpressure caused by the ignition of the SRBs forced the orbiter's body flap into an extreme angle which could have destroyed the hydraulic system controlling it. Had John Young know this had happened, he and Robert Crippen would have ejected, which would have destroyed the orbiter on its first flight.


You could eject from the Space Shuttle? At what speed and altitude? What was the mechanism?


There were only 2 ejection seats, enough for the crew of test flights but not the larger crew of operational flights.

The seats were only installed in Enterprise (the prototype, used only for suborbital tests) and Columbia (only enabled for STS-1 through STS-4 test flights, disabled for STS-5 the first operational flight)

The seats would only work at low altitude and speed (I've seen differing numbers cited). For the Challenger disaster they would've theoretically been useful (ignoring all the other factors), but they would've been useless for Columbia due to speed.

And it's not clear ejection would have actually been successful with the SRBs still active and right there.


As o11c mentioned, they only existed for the first few flights, the ones that only had two crew. It wasn't possible to have the election seats with the full shuttle crew so they were removed.

The ejection seats were essentially the same as those used in the SR-71, so they were survivable at shockingly high speeds and altitudes.


Norm is something like 3 rescheduling within a week from launch, 3 auto-aborts or equipment NoGo, 2 wayward boats, and 0.15-0.3 kaboom per launch. The fact that SpaceX haven't been letting wayward boats/planes for a while is remarkable by itself.


My perception is that SpaceX do in fact move fast, curious why you feel the need to put that in inverted commas?


None of that will do anything if we get into a runaway feedback loop where all the carbon is coming from natural sources. The change is speeding up.

The time to act was 60 years ago but Reagan and oil interests put profit over planet.

The last time to act was the last decade or so, as it appears we are too late and the us about to floor the gas pedal on oil instead of green tech.


Lyndon Johnson was president 60 years ago.

I always like to start 40 years ago with Carl Sagan

https://youtu.be/Wp-WiNXH6hI?si=2UJST6T6IBkHtZTq


Yea I ball parked it whenever the epa was told by Reagan to not do anything about carbon is when I start the clock


I start it with neoliberalism which really picked up steam with Nixon. But even Clinton and Obama were neoliberals every president since Nixon was neoliberal just with different social issues (divide and conquer the plebes). Globalization and exponential consumerism.

before 1990 you buy a phone like corded even cordless and they still work today if you have a landline.

Now I need a new phone every 3 years. All electronics are made to be replaced not to last and that just makes business sense but not very good environmental sense.


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