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Paypal does this as well.

They'll convert to your card's currency automatically and the option to revert is hidden behind an inconspicuous "See other currency options" prompt


So, if you buy a ticket (in a foreign currency) with RyanAir and you pay via PayPal, you'll need to choose NOT to use the currency converter twice!


PayPal once quietly added my European card (EUR zone) as USD. And when I paid for a product in EUR, it "thoughtfully" (for them) converted the amount twice using their special currency exchange rate.

You can't do without airports and airlines, but why PayPal still exists in 2024 - I don't understand.


>why PayPal still exists in 2024

Because they have a ton of users. People who don’t have credit card numbers saved on autofill so PayPal is more convenient. People also think it’s safer because the website doesn’t see your card number


I struggle to see how it is convenient. At least on Android, when you pay for something, it doesn't use the installed app, but makes you login in the browser. And they still don't support 2FA or Passkeys properly, making me to receive an SMS almost every time.


I can't answer that because I rarely use paypal myself. In fact they banned one of my two accounts (personal, business) for using gift cards which makes me uninterested in using the other one more than once a year.

That aside, I've seen many normal people use it for the reasons I described: They don't want to type in their card number and they think it's unsafe to type in their card number. It's (literally) all in their head so don't think too hard about it.

The practical alternative is Apple Pay, but you can't use it on Android.


>You can't do without airports and airlines, but why PayPal still exists in 2024 - I don't understand.

What don't you understand? In the US, the party that says "the government should not interfere with business" wins a lot of elections and the party that says "the government should protect consumers from corporate harm" wins way fewer elections.

So we have almost no consumer protections, so it's largely not illegal or risky for a business to fuck over their consumers which is very profitable so most businesses fuck over their consumers in various ways.


What does this have to do with the government? My point was that PayPal is terrible and why is there no widely used alternative to it? I know there are alternatives, but usually only about 5 people use them. And somehow in Germany (and it seems in the US too) everyone still uses PayPal.


Yeah it's the US's fault if a corporation misbehaves in Europe. It's so sad that Europe cannot legislate or do anything about it. PayPal is just inevitable I guess. Wait no, Europe is more than capable of doing that but they don't care about it either. Hence why they also don't do anything against Ryanair. Oops!


IIRC they even use multiple different wordings and layouts for this dialogue, depending on what "mode" of Paypal you're using (e.g. if it's a pop-up or if it's a full page redirect; I dunno how to describe it technically). I have to use it a lot and even I've been tricked a few times. It's literally theft and I can't believe they get away with it


Damn, I didn't know this, that's insane. I've been paying with the converted currency for ages. Thanks for sharing.


This infuriates me because it’s automatic if a merchant has “fast checkout” enabled.


This never would have happened if all these orgs used a blockchain.

/sarcasm

/but is it really?


Farcaster has been a nice refreshment for me. Currently a lot of developer types are present on the platform and I've seen lots of insightful conversations there.


Isn't that some crypto garbage?


I looked it up and apparently there is a "$5 sign-up fee", and posts/reactions are not free too:

>To sign up, users must pay a $5 sign-up fee, meant to prevent the creation of spam accounts. Further, users can only post a limited number of “casts” on Farcaster apps, which are tied to packages called storage units. Storage units, which go for $5 a piece, grant a user 5,000 casts, 2,500 reactions, and 2,500 links or photo posts within a one-year period.

(some shady website)

Yeah, that will surely make millions of users to sign up /s


Yeah, I don't get it. Social media sites thrive on interaction. Giving users a reason to hesitate before interacting is going to snuff out a lot of the casual interactions that make a site feel "alive".


Neither of those statements is true. Bitcoin seized by US government is often sold off in auctions[1]. Tether seized by the government could also be redeemed for fiat eventually, following due process.

[1] - https://www.forbes.com/sites/brandonkochkodin/2023/03/31/us-...

EDIT: I see now that you were actually comparing the case of USDT freeze against Bitcoin seizures. Nevertheless, Tether doesn't simply get to keep the USD value of the frozen tokens. US government would want to recover that.


"disable its tokens" "freezing 326 wallets" no indication from this article that the tether has been seized / transferred


Tokens are frozen "in-place" pending investigation. It differs from how it works with btc, because the government does not have control of the private keys that manage the addresses in question - so they go to Tether who controls the smart contract that manages the transactions of the tokens.

This, in practice, means that the US government controls the mentioned tokens for the moment. What happens with them depends entirely on the outcome of the investigation.


US govt could also create a govt wallet and force usdt to transfer the tokens there I imagine, if they want to proceed with seizure. They'd likely will need some legal framework for this but it's easily doable. Then us govt can auction it off as they like.


US govt could also require OFAC sanctions compliance on BTC via international framework as well.

30 warehouses or so, hundred websites, single code repository with a handful of developers.

Developers recently closed an open issue an American miner raised with OFAC compliance and the software, and even being able to help write the patch.

Beyond freezing, BTC can even be reissued via a module written expressly for such a purpose.


I spent a good chunk of my youth in the kafana, AMA :)

Joking aside, my feelings about it are mixed. I have fond memories of good laughs and parties with friends, but also can't help but notice a lot of black outs and hangovers the day after :) don't get me wrong though, if you are a tourist, you should definitely experience it.


While I can see how it helps clear the bad image of the industry, the two are not directly related. The ETF was/is going to get approved regardless.


How does it help clear the bad image? There are seemingly no large crypto orgs left that are untouched by criminal convictions.


There are no criminal charges involving Coinbase or Kraken. Litigation by SEC yes, criminal charges no. There’s a very meaningful difference there. The first type can ruin your business, the second put you behind bars too.


Not your keys, not your crypto. Never use exchanges.


There are seemingly no large tradfi bank or organization left that are untouched by criminal convictions. So then what?


Traditional banks aren't trying to prove that people should trust them. People already trust them, and even if they don't, they're already regulated enough that consumers know the government will step in to bail them out.


No large crypto orgs left? Tether has a market cap of $88bn alone.


So you tell me someone has 88bn us dollar or real assets somewhere stored away safely?

Somehow I doubt that. That would mean someone invested this in a save and independent way with enough return to keep it inflation save and apparently has no other idea on how to invest that even more magical.

How is tether really pegged safely?


I think you are preaching to the choir here, maybe I misread the intent of the OP above me.


Tether has been convicted of fraud.


If that meant anything the USDT to USD peg would collapse as it could no longer be redeemed for fiat.


Most people can't redeem USDT from Tether... Read their terms. You can only redeem USDT for USD if you bought directly from them, and even then it needs to be more than $100k. If you fulfill those two requirements, they'll let you redeem if they want to. They state in their terms that redemption is entirely at their discretion, and they can just say no if they gambled the reserves away.


It means something, and tether will collapse.


That's why the ETFs are coming from non-crypto orgs - Blackrock, Fidelity, etc.


Where do you think they get their BTC to fund the ETFs?


Happy to see this whole thing finally coming to an end, its a nice wrap to the dead market we've had for the past 2 years. I'm excited for 2024 in crypto!


What makes you think this is the end of anything?


The rumour about Binance indictment by DoJ has been going around for 1-2 years now. Its one of the last remaining pieces of major news that could have potentially negatively affected the industry. After two years of prosecutions, regulatory uncertainty and general poor market conditions, its only now starting to feel like there's light at the end of the tunnel.


Your optimism is fascinating & inspiring. Perhaps one day it would mature enough for GNU Taler and the like.


do the recent Kraken charges change this sentiment at all?


Not really. SEC investigations are civil, not criminal. They might end up paying a fine, but there is no risk of jail time or anything similar. Also, while I like Kraken as an exchange, its market share is not significant enough for it to matter in the big picture.


> SEC investigations are civil, not criminal.

SEC investigations address both aspects, when it gets past investigation to litigation, they do civil litigation themselves and refer to DOJ for potential criminal prosecution.


Coinbase has been charged with more or less the same thing since this summer. The SEC is grasping at straws at this point.


Pay no attention to those stablecoins over in the corner.

The name implies they are stable, what more could anyone want?


> Its one of the last remaining pieces of major news that could have potentially negatively affected the industry.

What, is the giant ticking timebomb of the USDT money printer not likely to 'negatively affect the industry'?


> Its one of the last remaining pieces of major news that could have potentially negatively affected the industry

Lol. Tether imploding anyone?


That’s pretty unlikely to happen at the moment though. I’m far from a Tether fanboy, but in this interest rate environment they are likely making boatloads of money just by sitting on a nice chunk of T-bills.


Light to final blow against crypto the horrible CO2 production and the annoying get rich apps.

Let's hope it dies sooner than later.


There are now lots of efficient cryptos and some that can run on a single wind turbine. But I am with you, hoping the energyvore ones die as fast as possible.


The efficient ones are still outright scams if not blatantly illegal. All cryptocurrencies should die. After more than a decade it's clear by now that blockchains are a useless technology and the investors are getting more and more desperate to pass the bag.


Yes, it's so nice how the traditional finance system has no CO2 emissions


The classical financial system has much less CO2 per transaction and more features.

It's the perfect finetuned and still optimized PoS system.


Tether is the last domino


The current crypto market activity has nothing to do with crypto news. The macro-economic state of the world is one where everything is going up.


More specifically now you can get actual real money by putting your savings in a bank account (and most people are struggling to pay the increased cost of living), there's less incentive to throw it away in a casino.


I suggest spending some time understanding why the cost of living went up. Clearly you live in a place with a relatively stable currency (for now).


A lot of the inflation seen in the U.S. is corporate profit-taking such as when the automakers used the chip shortages to steer buyers towards the highest-end models they prioritized for production while less profitable models were back ordered.

That matters because cryptocurrencies don’t help at all with the inflation consumers are seeing, while adding more personal risk and an exchange rate to arbitrage.


You have an interesting worldview. Corporations take profits to pay their employees. They do this with or without inflation and always have.

How would a crypto "help" with inflation? In the same way the Dollar "helps" with the inflation of the Euro?

Cryptos don't add to personal risk, people do that. If you think cryptos are making an impact, you should understand that the entire crypto economy is a rounding error in inflationary impact.


I think you misunderstood the point: when a large portion of the cost increases are due to companies raising their profit margins, changing how you pay for it won’t affect that.


Unless you're planning to pay for it with an asset whose value fluctuates wildly.


That’s a separate factor, though. It’s definitely one of the reasons why cryptocurrencies never became popular but in the case we’re talking about it’d just be making a bad situation worse rather than the cause for it being bad.


Profit is not taken to pay employees by definition. Profit is gross less all liabilities. Liabilities include payroll. Payroll is revenue.


That's not how inflation works.


It is. If you’ve never learned economic except from cryptocurrency marketing material, inflation simply refers to the prices of goods and services increasing, not any one specific cause. That can happen due to real changes in demand or supply, government policy changes, or other factors like changes in the labor market. It’s key to understand why inflation is happening because that tells you both whether it’s a problem - almost all serious economists think modest inflation is good for keeping the economy moving – and what kinds of fixes might be needed. For example, a crop failure will cause a spike in prices but if you don’t have reason to expect a late frost to happen again you probably don’t need to make structural changes; if some industrial component costs more because mines are running out, you might need a larger intervention.

In this case, prices went all over the place during the pandemic and the question is how they recover – companies are a lot quicker to raise prices than lower them and if you look at the business press there were a lot of record profits reported - the most since the 1950s when American companies were reaping the profits of uninterrupted production capacity selling to post-WWII Europe:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-25/us-corpor...

The St. Louis Fed estimated 60% of the inflation in 2021 was profit-taking:

https://www.npr.org/2023/05/19/1177180972/economists-are-rec...

The story in Europe is similar with roughly half:

https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/Articles/2023/06/26/europes-inf...


That's _part_ of how inflation works. The current inflation cycles is numerous different issues compounded (corporate profit seeking, money printing, supply chain issues, extremely high employment rate, pay increases). I know crypto bros like to say it's only money printing, so they can point to their fake money and say "you can't print money here", but the world isn't so simplistic.


What's that got to do with it driving people away from speculative assets?


5% annualized on 4% inflation is a joke. I don't consider "high yield" savings to be any kind of strategy.


Real rates in the US are at the highest level since before the GFC, they’ve basically gone from negative to >2%.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/REAINTRATREARAT10Y


If you have a mortgage, it ain’t half bad


I'm curious to see how BTC will fare. We've only seen the 4 year halving cycle play out during a secular bull market so far.


There were reward halvings in 2012, 2016, and 2020. I thought the 2012 halving was the most uncertain, as it was the first and the market had little liquidity.

https://www.fidelity.com/learning-center/trading-investing/b...


This is how the greater fool market continues to flourish.


FTT to the moon! Oh wait.


Actually ... since the trial ended, FTT went from ~$1.2 to ~$3.5 and has stayed up. I have no idea how these people expect it to pay out. Even if FTX restarts, they will almost certainly cast off such liabilities with the approval of the bankruptcy court.


Worth a lot. It probably would have been enough to plug the hole from stealing customer funds, if he managed to stay afloat for a few more months. Ah, the irony.


Hope ftx bankruptcy CEO can make it whole for the customers. 80% of my nw is stuck there


Why is 80% of your net worth in FTX


What happened to their shares? Just sold to cover claims?


from what I know, they still have their stake, but they will eventually sell it


Linkedin is one of those 'necessary evil' services that we all agree to use because everyone else does, but nobody actually likes. While I realise the network effect is hard to break, I look forward to somebody finally disrupting it - even if it results in a slightly-less bad product.



I am really impressed by what the tailscale folks have been building. I use their product suite regularly and have nothing but good things to say about it. I will be tinkering with this mod as well starting next week ;)

keep it up guys!


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