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Probably Git? You know that's been around much longer than Github has, right.


Git was released in 2005. Git is only 3 years older than Github


Hasn't been around _that_ long. Wikipedia puts the release date in 2005.


Of course, but even without checking Wikipedia, I remember a time not too terribly long ago when git, and even svn, didn't exist.


And are pretty sure that GCC was around at that point!


This is great and all, but it's something that happened in the past and was settled, so I'm not sure how relevant it was in this case in particular. I think you're blurring a past mistake (this should have raised flags from the beginning) with the current events.


"This happened before" isn't relevant?


I guess I'm digging myself in a hole here since apparently my opinion isn't very popular. But I just wanted to explain why I said what I did, based on a moment of reflection:

- Founder allegations: sounds like they already came to the conclusion that TPW wasn't acting appropriately, so I'm not sure what the fact that it happened before adds to that.

- Engineer allegations: this is about people other than TPW.

- Github's working environment: Maybe Severini could have added some dishing on TPW, in particular (but not necessarily the company). But given the non-disparagement agreement and the fact that her feelings are apparently general knowledge, was another interview with her really necessary?

As @waterlesscloud says above, I'm wondering, "Is anyone disputing the activities of the Preston-Werners at this point?" The fact that it's happened before is relevant if you want to dish more on TPW's character or the fact that GH made a mistake, both of which have already been done. Adding more at this point is almost sensationalist.


Up until know, when evaluating GitHub's reaction, we assumed the other co-founders wouldn't have known about this.

If they had a similar thing happen a while ago where someone was let go, in a company that prides itself for employee retention no less, that changes our evaluation.

It just means they condoned Tom's behaviour knowing first hand that it was problematic and had been for a long time; essentially lending credence to Julie-Ann's statement that the culture was toxic.

Based on the response I'd say that there's a good chance the toxicity might have largely stemmed from the management team not wanting to oust a co-founder, so there's a good chance it's ""fixed"" now, but that still doesn't excuse their lack of inaction until now.


> Up until know, when evaluating GitHub's reaction, we assumed the other co-founders wouldn't have known about this.

I'm not sure how they wouldn't have known about the settlement with Severind, if that's what you're talking about.

For the rest of your post, yes, I agree, it means they made a big mistake (even bigger? Probably.) And that mistake probably did contribute to a bad* environment, as tons of people have already mentioned with the PWs and pressure about the wife's work. My point is that these shortcomings have already been documented and admitted. What did the fact that it's happened before add to that?

* Note: Be very careful, though, about accepting adjectives such as "toxic" at face value: she can say whatever she wants without damaging herself in this case, but people have a funny tendency to use strong words to describe things that, objectively, just aren't that big of a deal. For example, my school's newspaper had a reporter complaining about being "violently rejected" because someone didn't respond to a text. No joke.

Call my well poisoned by that experience, but based on her Twitter posts (some guy deleting her code for not f*ing her, for which there is no proof), I don't know how reliable her description is.


>- Founder allegations: sounds like they already came to the conclusion that TPW wasn't acting appropriately, so I'm not sure what the fact that it happened before adds to that.

This implies that this is an endemic behavior from tis person, and it would seem that she is an organizational cancer.

This would appear to me to be a super red-flag on her involvement in any company; ESPECIALLY given the fact that she appears to be branding herself as some sort of women-in-business-thought-leader....

From my outside, very ignorant view-point, she seems to be working exactly against what she claims to be leading in; she is an exceedingly poor example of how female business leaders should operate.

My personal opinion would be that she felt like she had some status/power and it just turned her into a horrible person where she thought that said power/status meant she could actt however she liked.


Um, the point isn't about photo quality in the comparison. I have to agree that it's confusing, but actually they're trying to highlight the fact that their phone has a wider viewing angle. (If you look, their picture includes more people.)


Interesting - I just made something exactly like this (screenshot looks exactly the same): https://github.com/billyeh/termchat! I even had to publish a Node package to do it (pixelr).

Except it's got a chat function with other users as well :)


I love how New York Times has the coolest devs. Anyone here who works there? What's it like?


I do. It's pretty fun.

This might be a bit embarrassing ... but a couple of years ago, Dan Sinker came by and asked a few of the developers in the newsroom to talk about exactly that question.

Here's me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3HanxEFFlk

Here's David Nolen (although he won't be around for much longer ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOdoCqoqXlU

Here's Tiff Fehr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GOWLNWifxc


nice...but yikes that seems like an intimidating place to apply for a job...you guys are all heavy hitters...


I interviewed there almost a year ago for an iOS position, and it was an awesome atmosphere. There was a certain energy to the place and everyone knew a ton of stuff in the domain. I didn't get the job, but had fun anyways for that day in NYC.


I totally wouldn't be intimidated. We all just love what we do. The best way to get a job is often to get to know the folks on the team, hack with them on projects. I'd really hate to work at a place that I felt was exclusive.


Oh I didn't mean to imply it was exclusive, just that I'd feel like I was out of my league. Like I've built a few things with D3 but I still find myself getting confused sometimes, and I've gone through some of David Nolen's clojurescript posts / tutorials and I'm still not 100% clear on the advantages of core.async...but then again I don't use them all that often either.


Well, if you ever wanna chat about core.async or PourOver or jobs or life, I'm more than happy to do so: erik.hinton@nytimes.com Nolen's also a great guy and really serious about helping folks out with stuff like core.async. I'm sure he wouldn't mind jumping in an IRC chat to guide you along!


This is some pretty amazing code, actually. An MVC in 400 lines? Awesome. I could learn from this for days, lack of semicolons and one-line loops notwithstanding.


This is great, and I'd love using it. What's the (if any) connection with WebRTC? And PPSPP is a pretty unfortunate choice of acronym... A Google search only unearths something about emulating a PlayStation Portable.


We're going to be discussing WebRTC & PPSP together at the IETF meetup next week in London. I see WebRTC as a browser technology atm, so effectively a potential PPSP client and seeder. PPSP's aimed squarely at one-to-many sharing, so maybe there's some cross-over for video conferencing, but I'm not too familiar with it to say for the moment.

BTW googling IETF acronyms isn't easy -- try UDP, TCP, HTTP... ;-).

The protocol's described here http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ppsp-peer-protocol and there's a corresponding tracker protocol that's not finalised either.

These are drafts and in theory can change at any point in time.


Which working group will the webrtc tie in be discussed?


the PPSP one, if you're going to be around at IETF let's discuss there.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/89/agenda/ppsp/


Can anyone who is interested go along and sit in on those sessions? I live in London and that sounds interesting.


physical attendance at the conference costs; it's minimal for a day session for a student, but its possible to listen in remotely.


It's about time! This Skype is terrible, and WebRTC is amazing.


That sounds great. Bill, wait for money, and return it after the identity is verified?


Well, if their identity verification services are a sunk cost, then no, don't return the money.

If they verify the identity and know they are going to make it back in fees or however square does business, then sure.


Hmm. Great, looks exactly like something Microsoft might have made a few years ago.


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