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“ADAS self-driving technology”

ADAS is fairly common. It was in my VW and BMW, and I’m certain many other cars have it too.


Not to mention latency

And grounding for the model. Smaller models with tend to hallucinate a little less (anecdotally).

Yes that’s a pretty giant accusation, especially given they’re buying boatloads of GPUs and have previous versions as well (it’s not like they’re starting with 3).

1) Grok-2 was akin to GPT-3.5

2) Grok-3 comes out a month after DeepSeek R1 was open sourced. I think Grok-3 is DeepSeek R1 with some added params and about a month of training on the giant cluster, possibly a bit of in-house secret sauce added to the model or training methodology.

What are the chances that XAI just happened to have a thinking model close to as good as revolutionary DeepSeek but happened to launch it 30 days later?

It was both smart and pragmatic for XAI to simply use the best available open source stuff and layer their own stuff on top of it. Imagine they doubled the parameter count and trained it for 30 days, that would not even use half of the GPU power!


> What are the chances that XAI just happened to have a thinking model close to as good as revolutionary DeepSeek but happened to launch it 30 days later?

Extremely, extremely good. That was in fact the real point of the deepseek paper - it was extremely cheap to turn a frontier(ish?) model into a reasoning model. There is nothing suspicious about this timeline from an ML Ops point of view.

In fact DeepSeek themselves in a sort of victory lap released six OTHER models from other providers finetuned with reasoning as part of the initial drop.


Perhaps Grok-3 used the reasoning methodology from DeepSeek more than the underlying model, but the similarity of Grok-3 results to DeepSeek suggests that XAI used more than that.

This was one of my favorite books growing up, something it seemed only I have read. I’ve never seen it talked about since. Might be fun to reread it now and see how it’s aged now that I’m on the other side.


News update: OCR company touts new benchmark that shows its own products are the most performant.


I searched for any link between OmniAI and Alibaba's Qwen, but I can't find any link. Do you know anything I don't know?

All of these models are open source (I think?). They could presumably build their work on any of these options. It behooves them to pick well. And establish some authority along the way.


The model with the best accuracy in the linked benchmark is "OmniAI" (OP's company) which looks like a paid model, not open source [1].

[1]: https://getomni.ai/pricing


Someone should try to reproduce and post it here. I can't, my PC is about 15 years old. :(

(It is not a joke.)


Reproducing the whole benchmark would be expensive, OmniAi starts at $250/month.


Generally running the whole benchmark is ~$200, since all the providers cost money. But if anyone wants to specifically benchmark Omni just drop us a note and we'll make the credits available.


So not all of them are local and open source? Ugh.


I don't see why you couldn't run any of those locally if you buy the right hardware?


I haven't checked myself, so I'm not sure, others might be able to provide the answer though.

If they (all of the mentioned ones) are open source and can be ran locally, then most likely, yes.

From what I remember, they are all local and open source, so the answer is yes, if I am correct.


Mistral ocr is closed source


Thanks!


To be fair, they didn't include themselves at all in the graph.


They did. It’s in the #1 spot

Update: looks like the removed themselves from the graph since I saw it earlier today!


Yup, they did.

The beauty of version control: https://github.com/getomni-ai/benchmark/commit/0544e2a439423...


Apple may have markup, but the part is for sure more likely to be higher quality: https://www.cultofmac.com/news/apple-thunderbolt-4-cable-com...


Same goes for Apple power adapters:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28053398


It’s all relevant, but there is zero doubt that the US has the best higher education in the world (although this administration seems hell bent on attacking it). There’s a reason more international students come to the US than anywhere else for higher education.


“late stage open source capitalism”

Considering the GNU manifesto is from 1985 I guess we’ve gone through multiple stages quickly. What were they?


Not wrong though


It kind of is, the iPhone 16e isn’t the best even though it’s the latest, right? Or are we rating best by price/performance, not pure performance (I don’t even know if the 16e would be best there)?


Did Apple claim it’s the best phone yet? They’d probably only reserve that for the Pro.


No, but the user I (indirectly) replied to did:

> Every iPhone is their best iPhone yet


The net benefit to society compared to the energy, money, and time put into everything blockchain related has yet to be positive.

If your biggest example is facilitating illicit commerce (which you spin as permission-less money), well that’s a problem.


illicit commerce is in fact still commerce! Moralizing doesn't change that fact


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