> Frankly the argument "they shouldn't need to query the data in their system" is kind of silly.
Neutral party here: that's not what they said.
A) Quotes shouldn't be there.
B) Heuristic I've started applying to my comments: if I'm tempted to "quote" something that isn't a quote, it means I don't fully understand what they mean and should ask a question. This dovetails nicely with the spirit of HN's "come with curiosity"
It is disquieting because:
A) This are very much ill-defined terms (what, exactly, is data lake, vs. data warehouse, vs. database?), and as far as I've had to understand this stuff, and a quick spot check of Google shows, it's about making it so you're accumulating more data in one place.
B) This is antithetical to a consumer's desired approach to data, which will described parodically as: stored individually, on one computer, behind 3 locked doors and 20 layers of encryption.
I see, I'm sorry that's happening :/ I was lucky enough to transition from college dropout waiter to tech startup on the back of the iPad, 6 years in, sold it and ended up at still-good 2016 Google. Left in 2023 because of some absolutely mindnumbingly banal-ly evil middle management. I'm honestly worried about myself because I cannot. stand. that. crap., Google was relatively okay, and doubt I could ever work for someone else again. it was s t u n n i n g to see how easily people slip into confirmation bias when it involves pay / looking good.
fwiw if someone's really into Google minutae: I'm not so sure it is relatively okay anymore, it's kinda freaky how many posts there are on Blind along the lines of "wow I left X for here, assumed i'd at least be okay, but I am deeply unhappy. its much worse than average-white-collar job I left"
No, my way of dealing with it is to whine on HN/twitter occasionally and otherwise don't say anything publicly. Feel free to reach out at jpohhhh@gmail, excuse the overly familiar invitation, paying it forward because I would have found talking about that sort of thing f a s c i n a t i n g.
in general id recommend Ian Hickson's blog post on leaving. I can't remember the exact quote that hit hard, something like decisions moved from being X to Y to Z to being for peoples own benefit.
I'd also add there was some odd corrupting effects from CS turning into something an aimless Ivy Leaguer would do if they didn't feel like finance.
You keep changing topics so I don't get it either, I can attest it's not a fringe view that the situation is interesting, seen it discussed several times today by unrelated people.
That sounds somewhat specious, lying about what you support in your cost calculation library is a pretty big oof. It's hard to rank it versus kicking puppys, but, I don't think we have to stack-rank bad things to figure out if it's okay to call out unethical behavior.
Okay so you're still refusing to acknowledge who it is? Great talk, thanks for your thoughtful contributions. Btw, you haven't expressed any opinion here other than "THERES AN EXTRA S" and some weird insistence you can't figure out who OP is. idk what conversation you're inventing in your head, but it really is embarrassing, especially when they clearly had the scoop on the news by a couple weeks. Nobody can take you seriously here, it's obvious trolling
This is a perfectly reasonable question to ask. And a straight simple answer might be that no, they didn't. Or not initially but later it was too late. Or here are the circumstances in leadership, historical contexts that led to it and we find those in other projects as well.
I've kind of lost the plot myself. XD The whole concept seems a bit complicated to me.
You're holding out on responding constructively until someone on the Swift team responds?
Better to just avoid boorishness, or find another way to word your invitation to the people who you will accept discussion from.
I wouldn't go out of my way to engage in the comments section with someone who calls me stupid repeatedly, based on an imagined analysis of my thought process being that of a small child, then refuses to engage with any discussion that doesn't start with yes, my team was stupid, we did actively choose awful error messages and really bad compile times for pretty syntax.
Thank you for asking, it's sublime to see that you're unique in others eyes, very hard to see yourself
Let me really blow your mind: also, raised very conservative Catholic, didn't do Confirmation, then was Muslim for about 6 years
It's all a long story. Catholic, LGBTQ stuff rubbed me the wrong way and in some of the deepest grace I've seen, my religious educator encourage it.
Muslim, I was essentially on my own once I turned 15 (abusive and absentee parents) and transferred from Catholic school to public school (save $$), and the most welcoming people were foreign, the rest had been in the same classes for a decade. They didn't prostelyize, it was fun going there on Friday nights to play dodge ball, it was little incremental work to show up earlier and it felt good.
Zionist...I swear to God there wasn't a single negative word about Jews or Israel or other religions at either of the 2 mosques I went to. There was a quiet understanding that Palestinians were hurt and that it was a bit melodramatic at times, given they had structural issues on their own side.
In general, I'm an inveterate both sides er, and I'm guessing knowing a lot of avowed older Zionist as well as Muslims makes me feel secure in "ugh there's some extremists / ignorant people in group X" rather than "wow group X is inherently evil"
And now you're making me think maybe the parents have more to do with it than I realize. It took a lot to finally say...wait, no...what they're doing is wrong and I don't owe them anything. As long as I'm thinking things out and rational, I'm doing my best. Adds to the comfort with tendatiousness/both sides and confidence in holding to it.
(Ran out of posts on main, so this is from my old backup when I was gainfully employed at FAANG)
Ah! You’re your own Jerusalem; ever in the middle. :)
That does make more sense: unless I read you wrong, leftism wasn’t a real sway here - and that’s easier to square away. Leftist Zionism is (as far as I can tell), almost only advanced by Jews.
Neat, though I’m perhaps confused as to how you might even arrive at Zionism (a rather polar position to take).
You're replying to a comment that points out Gemini Ultra was never released, wasn't mentioned today, and it's the only model Google's benchmarking at GPT-4 level. They didn't say anything about feelings or context window.
It says it may fall back to a worse model under load and there is no way to tell which you are getting. I think chatgpt has at times done something similar though.
> You're replying to a comment that points out Gemini Ultra was never released
What are you even talking about? How do you know it's memory-holed if you haven't used it? The API is not GA, but the model can be used through the chatbot subscription. GP is talking about their lack of trust on Google's claim of 1M context token, not GPT-4 level reasoning. If you're expect GPT-4 level performance with cost-efficient models, that's another problem.
A) This fills a gaping hole for cheap multimodal models, OpenAI doesn't have one
B) Anthropic's Haiku is a good choice.
You) wow A didn't know Anthropic. Goes to show power of brands, much like snack foods
B) Eh I wouldn't conclude anything from A. Its one comment. some people don't know what an Anthropic is because there's high interest in AI relative to interest in AI APIs. you can expect a low SNR ratio, even on HN
You) Stop personally attacking me! It's against the rules!!
I don't think its helpful to broaden the aspersions: you had a couple hours to cool off, and also got signal from the community that you went overboard.
It's clear I was talking to you, not about you, you can tell because it's a reply to you.
I do understand it would feel awful if I replied to you, ignoring you, and instead voicing to some anon 3rd person you don't know Anthropic pricing. Someone with looking to bully could possibly use that to say you are an amateur who doesn't know what you're talking about w.r.t to AI and only knows a brand name or two.
If anyone does that, let me know, I'll correct their bullying...pulls on sunglasses...with extreme prejudice.
1. The comment where you began getting upset and attacking people is grayed out, the only one in this thread.
2. The other person straightforwardly explaining to you I was replying to you, not talking about you. (which, I do understand why you're taking personally, but humbly, it isn't a rule violation or close, or "low-brow", it's well within bounds of adult conversation)
3. Me agreeing the reply was a reply, I don't know you or judge you, and if anyone does, I gave a nice playful comment telling you I'd fight for your honor.
I humbly suggest taking a step back from this thread: it can be incredibly frustrating when you feel you were wronged and no one is listening, I feel ya. I tried giving you an e-hug without being condescending with the sunglasses comment. We both agree its outside the bounds of HN to continue this. Yell at me on Twitter for being sneaky and lying and saying you're bad at AI and making low-brow comments, @jpohhhh.
Neutral party here: that's not what they said.
A) Quotes shouldn't be there.
B) Heuristic I've started applying to my comments: if I'm tempted to "quote" something that isn't a quote, it means I don't fully understand what they mean and should ask a question. This dovetails nicely with the spirit of HN's "come with curiosity"
It is disquieting because:
A) This are very much ill-defined terms (what, exactly, is data lake, vs. data warehouse, vs. database?), and as far as I've had to understand this stuff, and a quick spot check of Google shows, it's about making it so you're accumulating more data in one place.
B) This is antithetical to a consumer's desired approach to data, which will described parodically as: stored individually, on one computer, behind 3 locked doors and 20 layers of encryption.