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> assuming you don't get penalized for that

Don't assume that. Why would you assume that? The entire thesis of the article is that you do in fact get penalized for that. Even if you don't care about anything else, you're penalized by loss of ability to make people to take you seriously on other problems.


Not quite, this game has a mechanism for re-using rules, which is entirely forbidden in Calvinball.

There you go trying use logic on racism. Of course it's not going to work.

The question isn't whether the ancient aliens framework logically supports racism, since it's false anyway and racists don't care about logic (otherwise etc etc). The question for racists is which frameworks most conveniently provide tidbits for them to distort for their own purposes. No logic, pure association and confirmation bias.


Are you sure just switching up the colors and background image wouldn't do it for you?

I just looked at the homepage to see if it was anything different than I see on my machine, and if anything it looks nicer there. It's certainly nothing fancy, but I feel like there's hardly enough there to really count as "ugly". It all fades into the background quickly when you're doing actual work on it. But YMMV I guess.


If anyone is actually switching to Linux in the current hype cycle, I'd very much recommend starting with XFCE if you can. In my experience it really does seem to be the lowest-BS desktop out there, like the good parts of Windows XP.

I'm not sure I agree. It takes getting used to, and the default designs tend to feel old-fashioned, giving a false impression that it won't do what you need. The settings feel like you're almost in a config file. Except for on old computers, Gnome or Cosmic are safer starting points.

I guess I assume "BS" means "UX flourishes that most end users are used to," and I'm not sure minimizing it immediately is the best approach to bring people into the ecosystem.


I've tried Cosmic recently and it's glitches galore right now (on nvidia at least). I think safest point is KDE. The most familiar paradigm, mature wayland support with mixed refresh rate displays, HDR and other modern features that XFCE can't do.

Yeah, I think it might be a driver thing (or driver interaction with XFCE code).

After ~10 years of using XFCE, I recently for the first time encountered flickering, after an NVidia driver update. I disabled compositing and it went away. Still happy, but clearly something broke there. Pretty sure someone's trying to fix it, somewhere.



That was the Nvidia 580 driver, its a known issue. 575 dirver is working fine.

> the default designs tend to feel old-fashioned, giving a false impression that it won't do what you need

Who is actually getting this impression? What thing that they "need" is in doubt?

> I guess I assume "BS" means "UX flourishes that most end users are used to,"

You assume incorrectly. Every OS and DE finds some way to be obnoxious, even when you've learned the tricks and keyboard shortcuts. XFCE just seems to have the least of them. It's predictable. I think a new user will be able to navigate it immediately. I don't know about KDE, but I sure couldn't say the same about Gnome 3.


> The settings feel like you're almost in a config file.

What on earth?

No, the config has dialogues and intuitive controls. There is a settings-editor you can go into if you need to, with a bit more of a regedit kinda feel, but I haven't looked in there in years.

> Gnome or Cosmic are safer starting points.

In Gnome, can I move the UI elements to locations I want them in? Or are we still in a situation where it's opinionated and you have to seek plugins to get an experience that you actually want?


> In Gnome, can I move the UI elements to locations I want them in?

No.

> Or are we still in a situation where it's opinionated and you have to seek plugins to get an experience that you actually want?

Yes, 100%.

COSMIC feels like GNOME but done right to me. It's not as pretty but while it looks and works pretty much the same by default, you can choose what goes where.

Saying that, I still much prefer Xfce.


For older machines I'd recommend Mate. It's a fork of old Gnome 2, so it got a lot more polish back on the day, even though some of it bit rotted away.

It's still a very nice desktop and you can combine it with Compiz if you want to have some fun.


I usually end up with XFCE by necessity. I’m usually running Linux on older systems. I completely gave up on KDE many years ago, as it was always so heavy and slow. I want to like Gnome, but some of their decisions are ones I can’t wrap my head around or get used to. Depending on the system, it can also be a bit slow.

XFCE seems to just work.


> I'd very much recommend starting with XFCE

Kids those days. twm or fvwm shall be ok.


> The Greenland sharks used in her co-study were caught between 2020 and 2024 using scientific long lines off the coast of the University of Copenhagen's Arctic Station on Disko Island, Greenland.

But I guess a few sharks for scientific sampling are probably still negligible compared to bycatch.


It's both a math metaphor and a Star Wars prequel reference.

I'm pretty sure they still do, actually. What I suspect happened is that someone high up the food chain put out a broad directive to remove "gender ideology" without thinking too hard about the consequences, and then some relatively unimaginative admins lower down decided to implement it Consistently With No Exceptions. Just doing their jobs "fairly". I expect they'll fix the glitch, frankly, at least the immediate glitch.

This smells of malicious compliance to me. Similar to removing the Bible when given a directive to remove texts containing sexual material.

Could be. That would be funnier, for sure. Actually, the Bible definitely contains gender ideology, so I guess they do have to ban it.

Or maybe "good" in the sense of effectiveness is entirely separate from moral "good", and any notion of nebulous other "bad guys" is irrelevant to an assessment of Bill Gates as a manager. I'd argue they're not relevant to assessing him morally, either, but of course that's a very old debate.

I don't know, I think we're just finding that it also applies neatly to a lot of stuff we were already seeing before genAI. Edit: "blogspam", for instance, is almost the same phenomenon.

Yes but it quickly morphed into "thing I don't like" and is used everywhere

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