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It’s interesting that in 2018 we didn’t see any anonymous posts confirming the story. This recent article suggests that knowledge was fairly well spread amongst government agencies and their suppliers. Impressive that the culture of secrecy remains so strong.


Wouldn't this be more likely to indicate that Bloomberg is lying/mistaken?


Primary sources have been lacking in coverage of this story; is the Communist party that powerful in controlling first hand accounts?


Given that his entire family in China has effectively been erased as far as he knows, I think the CCP has a pretty strong level of control in the vast majority of cases.

He currently lives in Netherlands while his wife and child are in Turkey.


Of course there are primary sources, it's just that they're usually in Mandarin or Uyghur or some other non-English language of the region, and they're not nicely reduced down to a few key statements like a news article.



A choice quote from the wickedlocal coverage:

> Those involved became so concerned that they developed a list of people in California they could frame if authorities tracked the harassment there, Lelling said


It would be interesting to know the middleman involved in hiring BellTroX; surely Exxon didn’t hire them directly but were working with a “public relations” company that took initiative to hire this shady firm. Knowing the middleman might help connect the loose threads


Since this is being repeated multiple times, quoting benmaraschino:

One of these "studies" is a 2-page Google Doc with no real data. Another is the discredited Raoult study, which is under investigation by the journal [1]. Another study cited is also by Raoult's team. The Brazil study (ref. 29) doesn't seem to have passed peer review (yet?) and has severe methodological flaws. Like the Raoult studies, the Brazil study was not randomized, but makes no attempt to control for confounding by indication or self-selection, such as with propensity score matching or similar methods commonly used in observational studies. The last study cited isn't a study, but an article from a local news station.


I believe Hydroxychroloquine is used as a prophylaxis in India and possibly other countries. Have there been any studies on that?

The death toll (CFR) in India is suspiciously lower than in the European states. Could it be because they're using Hydroxychroloquine more freely [0]? Though, that hasn't been without controversy [1].

[0] https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-05-india-hydroxychloroqu...

[1] https://science.thewire.in/health/covid-19-indian-council-of...


I came across this:

>According to the ICMR study published in the Indian Journal of Medical Research (IJMR), consumption of four or more maintenance doses was associated with a significant decline (>80%) in the risk of Covid-19 infection among the ‘participants’. The study also found that there was no significant association between HCQ and adverse drug reactions.

https://health.economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/pharma/why-...

Link to the preliminary paper http://www.ijmr.org.in/preprintarticle.asp?id=285520


> The death toll (CFR) in India is suspiciously lower than in the European states

There are too many other, far more plausible, reasons why the death toll in India looks lower:

* Population pyramid - far fewer people aged 70+ as a percentage of the population means a far lower CFR

* Hotter weather which slows the spread of coronaviruses massively

* More sunlight means less vitamin-D deficiency (which seems to worsen infections)

* Low amount of travel to/from initial seeding spots means closing borders was effective (Wuhan, northern Italy, Alps)

And that is without casting any aspersions about causes of death being attributed correctly.


Since this is being repeated multiple times, quoting benmaraschino:

One of these "studies" is a 2-page Google Doc with no real data. Another is the discredited Raoult study, which is under investigation by the journal [1]. Another study cited is also by Raoult's team. The Brazil study (ref. 29) doesn't seem to have passed peer review (yet?) and has severe methodological flaws. Like the Raoult studies, the Brazil study was not randomized, but makes no attempt to control for confounding by indication or self-selection, such as with propensity score matching or similar methods commonly used in observational studies. The last study cited isn't a study, but an article from a local news station.


Since this is being repeated multiple times, quoting benmaraschino:

One of these "studies" is a 2-page Google Doc with no real data. Another is the discredited Raoult study, which is under investigation by the journal [1]. Another study cited is also by Raoult's team. The Brazil study (ref. 29) doesn't seem to have passed peer review (yet?) and has severe methodological flaws. Like the Raoult studies, the Brazil study was not randomized, but makes no attempt to control for confounding by indication or self-selection, such as with propensity score matching or similar methods commonly used in observational studies. The last study cited isn't a study, but an article from a local news station.


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