Okta try not to get hacked for a month challenge [level impossible].
In all seriousness, they seem to love getting pwnded. You would hope that the constant stock drops as a result of events like these would force change, but I guess not.
Absolutely, not to mention if you ever switch numbers you have to change the signal information. For me, its fine for verification, but I want an identifier I ever have to change.
I use GrapheneOS, and I've donated to its development. To say that "None of the claims are true" and that they are "baseless" is incorrect.
Louis Rossman was a supporter of the project until he and Daniel had a failing out in which Daniel behaved inappropriately [1], all over a Youtube comment. There's proof for that and other claims [2, 4, 5].
Daniel can be a talented developer, privacy advocate and asshole at the same time.
It's sad to see him (and others, like yourself) say stuff like "examine the baseless claims", without providing any sources.
After all the drama with Calyxos, Techlore, Louis Rossmann etc, at some point one has to notice a pattern of behavior.
Think about all the products you purchase. Do you really think that in each case, the CEO of the company behind that product has a "pattern of behaviour" we approve of? [I really doubt it.] But here we are concerned about personality quirks of a guy developing a valuable free product.
I think you are engaging in Whataboutism [1]. This does not make for a constructive discussion.
But lets take what you said in good faith.
I imagine most products I buy have a not so amazing CEO. That does not prevent me from criticizing one of the products I use most often. Furthermore, as the (former) lead developer, he had or has control of the signing keys, simply deleting (as he has done in the past) them would cause significant damage.
If I had the time, knowledge and money. Which I don't.
So, I rely and support others that do to ensure I have a functioning and constantly running system without much maintenance work, except donating one a year.
> But I am thoroughly on his side when it comes to the CalyxOS and Techlore drama.
Sure, that could be argued either way. To be honest, it's too complicated for me to really care about. I think GrapheneOS is a solid project, currently.
My biggest problem is that Daniel refuses to apologize or even acknowledge these issues. I try to judge people not by their mistakes, but by their responses to these mistakes.
My worry with GrapheneOS is that the same thing to Copperhead might happen to it. I don't know or care who was right/wrong in that situation. But the end result was that Daniel deleted the signing keys, so I am worried that if Daniel is pressured form either real or imaginary attacks, he might do the same to GrapheneOS.
I want the project to go on for as long as possible, and part of that requires honest reflection.
> My biggest problem is that Daniel refuses to apologize or even acknowledge these issues. I try to judge people not by their mistakes, but by their responses to these mistakes.
I think this is very fair, and very unfortunate as well.
The issue with Copperhead was that they wanted to make it proprietary against Daniel's will (an oversimplification). I'm on Daniel's side on this issue.
The way they're currently in the process of setting up a "GrapheneOS Foundation" to ensure it stays open and not-for-profit _should_ ensure this never happens again. But the issue they are having is that a public figurehead is likely to get harassed and Doxed by malicious parties like what's happened to Daniel - but a real name is required to be on paper legally (also an oversimplification).
> I want the project to go on for as long as possible, and part of that requires honest reflection.
I agree. And I think this is very hard to discuss in official graphene circles with official graphene members+devs because they always always always shy away from discussing meta-issues and comment threads, forum threads, etc are removed once conversations go too far into it. I see both sides - they want to focus on development and the project itself - but also, these discussions need to be had.
It's harder to run targeted ads if the data is encrypted.
Sometimes I feel that it's less about money and more about control, but control, in a weird future sense. I wonder if the thought process is, "we should collect this now, so we can use it later," without ever really knowing what it will be used for later.
It's so strange to see tech companies fight for encryption, not only Apple, which also has a large ad business, but even Meta and Google, which are almost entirely ad-funded, only to see people on HN speculate about how ads are the reason for the fight against encryption.
> 1) Mozilla does have alternate sources of revenue, like Pocket and Mozilla VPN.
Not really though. All alternate sources are usually less then 5%. [1] As of 2021, they made 73% of total revenue from Google. [2] Mozilla VPN? You mean the one that refuses to fix CVEs? [3] Yikes. No thanks.
Those comments broke the site guidelines so badly that I need to let you know that we ban accounts that post like that, and ask you not to do it again—no matter how badly someone else's comments are or you feel they are. We're really trying to avoid having this site burn itself to a crisp, which is what unchecked flamewar leads to.
I prefer to post on the site—not to shame anybody, but because it's important for the community to see how HN is moderated and even to be aware that it is moderated. (It's surprising how many regular users don't know that.)
I agree, I can get snarky. Although I don't quite agree with the strictness of the rules, this site is one of the most unique I have found, so something must be going right.
My favorite thing is that Gino is now suing DataColada [1], and basically is claiming that 'they were right in every other case and I supported them, but with me they are lying'.
"Undeletable Chatbot That Gives Detailed Instructions on Murder, Ethnic Cleansing"
Got to say, I am disappointed in the fear tactics used here. Reminds me of "think of the children" being used to push back encryption.
I'm an adult, I don't need to be cocooned by some rules made by some nebulous group of people.
Oh no, not information on Ethnic Cleansing, almost as if a Wikipedia article could provide that information. While we at it, let's ban violent video games, movies, and art. Also, don't say murder, otherwise someone might just hear a no-no word and go kill someone.
I guess they never technically said that they were stable updates.
[1]: https://blog.google/products/pixel/software-support-pixel-8-...