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absolutely. the problem is there are cheaper engineers abroad and tech CEO's only care about their personal wealth, not those of their employees.


Amazon's biggest R&D team of AI / facial recognition engineers is based in Ukraine. They make less than minimum wage in San Francisco. The point is capitalism focuses on keeping costs down over paying people what they are worth, regardless of their country or zip code.


Who should determine the metric of "what they're worth" if not the market? The engineers in Ukraine agreeing to work for the wages that Amazon promises them seems to me like a mutually beneficial relationship to me.


Yup, exactly. If the person in Ukraine didn't like their wage then they could always go back to the market and get a better wage.


Ukraine is a war zone - like Syria in 2011. there are 1.5 million refugees in Ukraine with no place to go - EU will not take them in and Russia is attacking them.

Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe - their economy was shattered after the revolution. Why is it so crippling?

Cyber attacks - low wages on the tech sector. How do you expect them to negotiate higher wages if they can't even leave the country safely?


> Ukraine is a war zone - like Syria in 2011

Um, no, not at all. The actual conflict is confined to fairly small parts of two provinces in the east of Ukraine, and even there it's mostly "frozen" at this point. If you're on the separatist-controlled parts, things are complicated, partly because of ongoing hostilities, and partly because of being governed by an administration that is not officially recognized by anyone, and that isn't really good at governing. So that's where the refugees come, mostly. But most of the rest of the country is not affected by the war in a way people were in 2011 in Syria. As in, no worries of enemy troops marching in and kicking you out of your apartment, no shellings, no bombings etc.

https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/ukrainemap/ukrainemap....


>> there are 1.5 million refugees in Ukraine with no place to go - EU will not take them

Fortunately, Poland is issuing 200k job permits for Ukrainians per year, which helps a little. Not to mention that there're twice as many Ukrainians coming to Poland illegaly.


> They make less than minimum wage in San Francisco.

Minimum wage in SF would be $30k. I very much doubt a strong AI researcher would be making less than that, even in the Ukraine.


Capitalism is just taking advantage of Globalization here. So if you're in favor of free trade and open borders, you're also gonna get low paid Ukrainian engineers.


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