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Presumably, Elon would leave otherwise. Looks like the majority of tesla shareholders would like Elon to stay.


He already has left. He's a part-time CEO at best. Employees call him a pigeon CEO because "he comes in, shits all over us, and then leaves":

https://electrek.co/2024/04/22/elon-musk-pigeon-ceo-former-t...

The board seems to be working for Musk more than they're working for Tesla.


You can think of him whatever you want, but he's an investor money magnet like noone else. Everyone who owns stock of any company would want him. He could probably take over some fruit juice company and do nothing while it's valuation would still increase like crazy.


I was curious, so looked up Tesla’s stock price over the last few years. Seems like it’s had a rough ride since it’s all time high around late 2021.

Comparing today to just before the Twitter takeover, the Tesla valuation is majorly down. And this is adjusted for the stock splits.


I own stock in several companies. I would not want him anywhere near them. I have this weird desire to see them increase in value.


I own stocks of several companies and I definitely hope he stays as far away from them as possible. He is a man-child into alt-right and antivax conspiracy theories, this is toxic to any brand unless you are selling to the MAGA crowd.


The irony is, there are plenty of products and brands that absolutely would like to sell to the MAGA crowd, but you would not expect electric cars to be one of them, especially as their presidential candidate announced that he would ban them.


What if Musk is just pretending all this to sell to the MAGA people?

He has pretty much always supported democrats after all.


no he hasn't. like, he donates HEAVILY to anti-union causes and the GOP.


I really think people should stop saying "alt right" for anyone more conservative than Bernie Sanders. Alt right is an actual thing, and the trick of calling a mild thing an awful thing stopped working a few years ago.


Elon has retweeted things about The Great Replacement and anti-vax conspiracies. He is very much on the alt right, not "slightly right of Bernie Sanders".


Hard to know without citations what that means in practice. And retweets? I don't know. I like every YouTube video I watch regardless of whether I like it, so I know what I've watched.

Things that you could do accidentally with a thumbslip should only have a certain weight attached, and being quick to reach for a description that includes people who want Jewish people dead should be done cautiously.


> quick to reach for a description that includes people who want Jewish people dead

Never heard him being called Columbia University or Harvard student.


He did grow up with the original unexpurgated Ag Pleez Deddy *.

Not that's any excuse but that was how the twig was bent.

* Original being more or less contemporous with the novels Riotous Assembly and Indecent Exposure which lampooned the times.


> Everyone who owns stock of any company would want him.

Of course they would: from financing his own private vendettas (using Tesla to finance his Twitter acquisition) to rerouting GPUs ordered by Tesla to Twitter, who wouldn't want Musk to do that?


The original commenter mentioned 70B, not 7B.


I had already read the comment I was responding to, and they actually mentioned both.

Here's the exact quote for the 7B:

"Even running a 7B will take 14GB if it's fp16."

Since they called out a specific amount of memory that is entirely irrelevant to anyone actually running 7B models, I was responding to that.

I'm certain that no one at Microsoft is talking about running 70B models on consumer devices. 7B models are actually a practical consideration for the hardware that exists today.


They said: "Even running a 7B will take 14GB if it's fp16."

Which is correct, fp16 takes two bytes per weight, so it will be 7 billion * 2 bytes which is exactly 14GB.

They are probably aware that you could run it with 4 bit quantization (which would use 1/4 of the RAM) but explicitly mentioned fp16.


> > Since they called out a specific amount of memory that is entirely irrelevant to anyone actually running 7B models, I was responding to that.

> Which is correct, fp16 takes two bytes per weight, so it will be 7 billion * 2 bytes which is exactly 14GB.

As I said, it is "entirely irrelevant", which is the exact wording I used. Nowhere did I say that the calculation was wrong for fp16. Irrelevant numbers like that can be misleading to people unfamiliar with the subject matter.

No one is deploying LLMs to end users at fp16. It would be a huge waste and provide a bad experience. This discussion is about Copilot+, which is all about managed AI experiences that "just work" for the end user. Professional-grade stuff, and I believe Microsoft has good enough engineers to know better than to deploy fp16 LLMs to end users.


Makes sense, your argument is clear now, my mistake.


Many startups have started over the past few years, trying to build infrastructure (shovels) for companies to integrate LLMs, or specific chat copilots trying to cater to a specific usecase. Most are dead in the water once OpenAI subsumes their feature set.


... is what people who don't understand positioning will parrot time and time again.

Jasper isn't having a good time, but you'd think the fact anyone can produce better output than they did after spending millions of dollars in GPT-3 based pipelines for $20 a month would mean they're dead dead.

But instead they went and changed their positioning, changed who their target market is, adjusted the UX, the messaging, and the feature set, and now it's a product that has a place even if OpenAI can give all of your marketers an internal ChatGPT (unless your plan is to have 100 different "GPTs" for every marketing task in your company)

tl;dr: People fail to realize that OpenAI can offer your startup's core value proposition tomorrow morning, and it doesn't matter if they don't offer it in a format that resonates with your target users.

You could have a cure to cancer and you'd still have to market it correctly.


Isn’t that the crux of the conversation? Jasper had to fight to survive because they were a wrapper.


That's the complete opposite of reality: Jasper could only fight to survive because they were a wrapper.

Imagine if Jasper had raised and built their own GPT-3 alternative from the ground up at 100x the cost targeted at writing: it wouldn't have generalized like OpenAI's models given the different goals in training, they'd have spent orders of magnitude more, they'd currently be scrambling to partner with some non-OpenAI provider to play the role OpenAI does for them today...

Jasper "only" had to start integrating new APIs to keep up with the SOTA in quality, and instead of burning precious runway on R&D they get to focus on rebranding and driving home that positioning.


What isn't a wrapper? Honestly everyone turns they nose in the air and claims all superiority bit I challenge you to find a use case that isn't just a 'wrapper'


Not all wrappers are created equal.


Rooting for these folks. Very happy that they're building mistral at this pace from Europe – breaking the narrative.


Wise lets you access your account and money with API-s. You can create a personal token (and webhooks if you want) at https://wise.com/settings and you're off to the races. Api docs are at https://api-docs.wise.com

Disclaimer: I work on Wise. (We're hiring: https://wise.jobs)


I find their approach of end-to-end machine learning absolutely fascinating. Since the video is very long, I'll explain the gist: instead of the traditional approach of labelling everything in the scene using neural nets and then trying to divine a driving plan based on this information, comma is trying to behave more like a human and going straight from perception input to neural net to car controls output (expressed as a path).

This to me is a fascinating approach and raises interesting questions about the observability of the system and how much we can trust systems like this, where validation is based on testing of the behaviour of the whole system rather than validation of its subsystems.


I believe that comment was directed towards posts about price fluctuation of existing public companies, while this post is about the company going public. Previous listing posts have led to substantive discussion in my experience.

Disclaimer: I work on wise.


Wise broke a new record on their direct listing and so did another tech giant that just hit $1TN. Not only the fastest but a first for a company founded in this century and that is what you don't see every day.

Compare that to 13 days ago, MSFT was the second company to reach $2TN [0].

But that seemed to be fine by the HN crowd to be 'interesting' enough to discuss about even though I find that unsurprising and less worthy of attention than Facebook being the first and fastest $1TN company founded in the 21st century.

Since each of their IPOs, it took AAPL and MSFT 3 decades to reach $1TN. For FB? Less than a decade.

So the news of both Apple, Microsoft [0] [1] is fine but not Facebook? [2] It seems dang doesn't understand the gravity of this milestone for a public company like Facebook.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27621539

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24210991

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27667464


I remember from very old PHP days that the default http client everyone reached for in PHP land was curl: https://www.php.net/manual/en/book.curl.php . I don't doubt that this is the case for many other older languages as well. This means, in turn, that there are large swathes of the internet communicating with one another via methods like this.


Wow, I didn't realise it's the same guy. Kitty truly is a terrific piece of software, and it seems Kovid is also a terrific product engineer.


In my experience it has better reliability and quality, to the point where I haven't had to worry about it.


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