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Holmes made one single promise on which she couldn't (possibly) deliver while Musk makes dozens of promises and delivers well enough on enough of them that he'll never be fully discredited.

The whole "stepping on a single nail vs. sleeping on a bed of nails" metaphor.


I'm having trouble following the metaphor. You seem to be saying that it's a... I guess "unfortunate coincidence" that Musk has had a handful of successful (well, outrageously successful) projects, because it makes exposing him as a fraud for the unsuccessful stuff difficult? But... isn't success the goal here and not punishing fraud?

Would the world really be a better place if we viewed every failure as disqualifying?


That's not the question. The question is "would the world really be a better place if we viewed malicious lies as disqualifying", and I believe the answer is yes.


Which malicious lies are we talking about here? I'm still having trouble following.

The dude makes over-optimistic predictions and shitposts like crazy; we're hardly talking about Pol Pot here. The same personality holds for, what, 90% of Reddit? Maybe only 40% of the HN commenter base (we're cultured!). People hate Musk because Musk makes it so fun to hate him. And that's fine. But it leads to some pretty weird places if you let it (like "The world would be better off without Tesla or SpaceX" being discussed here).


Musk-hatred as a pop ideology is certainly one of the weirder ones. It's a baffling hybrid of conspiracy theorist, self-serving gatekeeping of engineering licensure, not-invented here extremism, technology "realism," billionaire rage/envy, angry politics, and a need to feel superior to the engineers who work at the Musk companies. Altogether, not a look becoming someone who is on a web site devoted to technology and innovation.

Look, it's fine if you don't like the guy or his companies. But some of the ridiculous talking points listed elsewhere in this thread are unhinged.


Talked to a number of engineers leaving Tesla and SpaceX. All complained about harsh working conditions and low pay supposedly made up for by "inspiring" mission.

And once that effect of the worthwhile mission wears off, people seem to run away. Not walk. Run.

In other words, I don't think "Musk-hatred" is an ideology.

Of course that means that Musk's contribution is in fact not so much different from your average business blowhard. "Inspiring". Musk is just better at it, although a significant portion of it is simply in the mission itself, not musk. His nerd look and talk is entirely manufactured and an act (it's fake, as opposed to Larry Page. His nerd act is not an act, a fact he spent millions trying to get away from)

Both companies were effectively started by engineers, not by Elon Musk. There are no real technical accomplishments that are his doing.

I would say he has a good bullshit filter ... but there's a hyperloop in there, along with the boring company. Ahem.


I think the world would be a better place if Elon Musk didn't recklessly claim that currently extant Teslas will achieve full self-driving capability in any reasonable timeframe. Similarly, it would be wonderful if he didn't promote horse shit like the hyperloop and his boring company, possibly with the ulterior motive of undermining actual infrastructure projects


Now do California's high speed rail


I always thought that the benefit of the physical device was that it was decoupled from the main device. If someone steals my laptop, for example, they won't be able to access my MFA secured accounts unless they ALSO steal my phone (and are unable to lock it).


Sure, but if your threat model is that the attacker has enough access to your machine to extract your password manager's database, they can also just copy your session cookies from your existing browser session. Even in the case of password leaks, if someone breaches the password database of a website they can just as easily dump the TOTP table.

Personally my view is that (if you're using a password manager with a unique password per-site) 2FA primarily protects you when you have to input your password on an untrusted system that may have a keylogger. In that case it doesn't really matter where you store the TOTP key (presumably you're not going to unlock your password database on that machine).

To be fair, in the case of a security bug in the password manager (such as the few previous LastPass bugs in this vein), you are slightly more protected. But I use KeePassXC which has a far more segregated design so I'm not as worried about this as I would be if I was using a password manager entirely integrated into the browser (either built-in or an extension).

(Though these days I primarily use U2F/WebAuthn if the site supports it.)


This is a side effect that I'm not aware of. Can you share more, please?


As I tried cocaine only once or twice (I hated the fast heart beat as a side effect), I can more talk about what I felt and try to project on a long horizon: I felt like I know a lot of things, the solutions to all the hardest problems in my life.

I wrote it down, and next day when it wore off, I saw how stupid I was, but I see this effect in my ex friend. He used his social skills to get money from everybody and didn't care about lying to everybody. He got super confident in everything even if his shy antisocial friends knew much more about those topics.]

He was quite damaging to a lot of people who trusted him from before when he wasn't an asshole, and he's still in the process of finding new victims as he went into huge debt and played away all the money his mother gathered through hard work all her life. He is her only child, and his dad died in a car accident when he was in his teens.


Thanks for sharing. Seems painful.

I've seen similar things where people seem to just lose their moral compass along with reasonable inhibitions and I've also attributed that to substance abuse, though not cocaine specifically.


So, it's nowhere near every street corner or playground, but I encounter a surprising amount of second hand smoke here in (legal) Seattle. Although it's not really much more than it was pre-legalization.


I'm probably doing standups wrong...

And then you describe some of the healthiest standup culture I've seen...


It was when Ryan Davis died that I realized just how intimate the podcasting medium could be. While I also loved the rest of the crew, I couldn't listen to Giant Bomb without him. It was just too sad.


The "uhhhh, this is a private venue, they don't owe you a soapbox" rhetoric rings increasingly hollow when we just went through a multiyear period when society collectively forced millions of people to work or go to school over the internet, often through big tech platforms.

That feels like a non-sequitur. People can both use mainstream platforms for work/school and create/find their own platforms for other parts of their life.


It's something run repeatedly, so small chances will occur. Amoung it's failure states are being very, very wrong in ways that are hard for a skilled human to detect without more work that writing from scratch.

Also makes for a great plot summary for the original Jurassic Park


Lynch mobs are strong and engaged communities, after all.


I like to make the distinction between companies that treat software as a necessary evil vs. a competitive advantage.


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