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Does it matter how the data is processed?

You're still just saying that while stealing a lot from one person is wrong, stealing only a little but from many people would be OK. And the people who are stolen from don't agree with you.


Is an artist finding inspiration from another's work stealing? Creativity is very rarely building something completely new from nothing at all - it's the end result of inspiration and a merging of ideas

Which seems to be exactly what these models are doing

Satisfactory the game didn't "steal" from Factorio - they took the idea of an automated factory game from them, brought it into a 3d world instead of 2d, and pulled in some other ideas, perhaps from other games. This is a hell of a lot closer to stealing than an LLM taking 0.001% each from 100000 images to create something new.. and yet no-one would ever call it such

It's disturbing because it's automated on an insane scale, not because of a solid legal ground


You're pretending reading a book and remembering what is written is stealing.

That's not what's happening. Using your analogy, you're reading the book, remembering it, and then making N more books (maybe for commercial purposes) by using what you remembered to create something very similar in terms of style, prose, plot, and so on. As a result, the person who you learned from can't get a job writing anymore because their work has been commoditized. Also, they're feeling lost because the work they devoted their lives to is now awash in a sea of similar work.

So as long as you can point to someone sad, you win?

The only valid text makers are humans.


if I quote it from memory without attribution, it is arguably stealng. Certainly in bad taste to pretend that was my idea. If I type it out from memory on my blog page without permission, it is 100% stealing.

These aren't novel situations. We have centuries of case studies, precedent, and cultural osmosis giving us legal and de facto means of what we feel and say is "stealing intellectual property".


What bunkum. Stealing is only recent propaganda, and not successful at that. If anything, the act of sharing something is cultural and innate for millennia even [0].

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_tradition


"recent" we in 300 or so years? Yes. And guess why we made copyright to begin with? It became very easy for large companies to copy and mass produce ideas from people who made them. History repeats.

It's not like tribes and families also didn't keep secrets to maintain some power or as matter of trade. We call them "trade secrets" now but those go back before recorded history.

In addition, consider thar back the we had actual communities, unlike now. Bring those back and we can talk about tearing down copyright.


Stable Diffusion and the like is unable to perfectly reproduce an image from the training data, outside of rare exceptions, e.g. it was overrepresented in the training set.

I too expected a reuse of the full name when I first clicked...

"Master Control Program" was an operating system for Burroughs mainframes in the 1960s and 70s. That is probably where Tron got the name.

In the '90s, I used another "MCP" on the Amiga: it was a "commodity" that tweaked and patched things, similar to PowerToys on MS-Windows. And I think the author has said that he got the name from Tron.


Oh, USB 1.1 at the transport layer and lower is not that difficult.

But there is more complexity on higher layers. USB HID (mice and keyboards) is often the first you'd want but it is special in that it allows a device to describe its own packet format in a tokenised data description language. The device only has to send an additional blob when asked, but the host has to parse the contents of that blob and use the result to parse the device's packets.

And of course, every time there is complexity in a protocol and there are multiple implementations of it, there is more opportunity for them to be incompatible in very subtle ways. This phenomenon has caused for example that some gaming keyboards with N-key rollover that work perfectly on MS-Windows without any special drivers have been rejected outright by Apple or Linux hosts. (I hope these issues have been fixed now, but I'm not sure).


I thought there was also a mandatory fixed-layout "boot" profile for mice and keyboards? There was some controversy because vendors interpreted it as only being allowed to support the boot profile, resulting in most USB keyboards having 6-key rollover maximum.

In a nutshell, yes. There's a flag for it (actually "subclass") for indicating being able to switch to the boot protocol. Some hosts, especially BIOS:es, did check that flag but never sent the command to switch.

Keyboard vendors catered to the lowest common denominator because it was essential that users be able to enter the PC BIOS at boot.

BTW. Apple chiclet keyboards (before the "Magic") got an interested workaround to this problem for its proprietary Fn key. It uses a variation of the boot protocol but only a 5-byte array (5KRO). When the Fn key is pressed, the sixth byte will contain a code that is otherwise an error code if interpreted as the boot protocol.


I work in the AV industry. RS-232 is still the king for control signals between devices, even on brand new hardware that costs >10K USD. TV screens for signage/conference rooms often have RS-232 for more versatile control than HDMI-CEC. Higher bitrate than 9600 BPS is often not needed. The most common connector consists of three-pin screw terminals (Tx, Rx, GND), although these days most installations have at least one RS232-to-USB adaptor somewhere. And for larger rooms, RS232 is bridged over Ethernet.

This was a bit of a surprise when I started, but then I realised that many installations are decades old, with components having been replaced individually.


Indeed, it is a shame that the A600 didn't come with Kickstart/Workbench 3.x.

It had other improvements than just support for the AGA chipset's video modes. "Datatypes" were pretty neat. Thanks to it, the Amiga got PNG support in all web browsers before many other platforms got it at all.


Official sales figures have plummeted here in Sweden as well. I'm not surprised.


Perhaps this is really about keeping out potential European car battery manufacturers from sourcing their raw materials from Ukraine in the future. Trump is under the influence of Musk after all.


Despite being sold as the "mineral deal" to the public, it has nearly nothing to do with them and doesn't give the US any significant control over them.

It's all about establishing a semi-sovereign fund for Ukraine (slowly turning fully sovereign, due to how it's financed), focused on reconstructing Ukraine.


The article mentions the Amiga... Despite there supposedly having been prior art, a company had got a patent [1] on drawing using XOR, which was then used to successfully sue Commodore.

The costs caused by this lawsuit have been claimed as having contributed to Commodore's downfall.

1. https://patents.google.com/patent/US4197590A


I once failed a a test at a job interview because I hadn't realised that (even after having been programming for twenty years).


One difference between XOR and difference is that because of the symmetry of XOR, you could use the same code for walking the list forwards and backwards.


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