I think the election of Trump is also a backslash against the PC, SJW, safe-space, trigger-warning, micro aggression tendencies that have been spreading in the U.S. for the last couple of years. This has become too much and millions of Americans are fed up with it, they have now spoken out.
Which is ironic since Trump's supporters are the most PC, safe-space, triggered people I've seen. Clinton called some of them "deplorables" and there was such hue and cry. Point out that it's racist to criticize a judge based on his ancestry, or to propose banning immigrants based on their religion, and they got so tremendously offended.
This is spot on. "PC" "safe-space" and "SJW" are simply labels for specific people, but the same tendencies behind them exist everywhere.
The same people complaining about PC-culture and SJWs are the same people who are outraged about Colin Kaepernick taking a knee during the national anthem.
And the same people who fear their religious liberty is under attack because gay people can get married or because Starbucks says "happy holidays" on the side of their green cup.
> Clinton called some of them "deplorables" and there was such hue and cry
I think this was Hillary's single biggest mistake. It was exactly what they were waiting for -- the "Washington Elite" telling them they were less than. It gave the outsiders a rallying call.
> It definitely was a bad move. I can't say I disagree with the sentiment, but it was not a smart thing to say.
That sounds like you think getting caught saying something like that was the issue, not the comment itself.
It's not the first time she's used language like that to refer to Trump's supporters. She was saying things like that repeatedly, in smaller audiences, throughout the campaign. I'm convinced she said it because deep down she's an elitist who really doesn't give a damn about anything besides money and power.
I think a lot of Trump supporters are actually deplorable. I base this on their actions and their words. It's not good to say so, and especially not when you're running for high office, but that's what I mean when I say I don't disagree with the sentiment.
I think you're making a false equivalency here. Both sides are very thin-skinned, no doubt, but one is a direct insult ("you are deplorables") and one is taking general offense on behalf of other people for perceived slights.
I think you're right. It's not really about insults it's about free speech. If you say something white supremacist like "our company hires mostly white people because there are fewer qualified people of color in the workforce" and I say "you're a white supremacist", what will happen?
1) you'll accuse me of name calling, even though I just gave an accurate description of your political platform
2) you'll accuse me of trying to curtail your free speech, even though I was just exercising mine
3) you'll try to invalidate what I'm saying by invoking the "you may not campaign for the rights of others" rule you cited
All of which just serves you avoiding actually addressing my words, which are clear and direct: you are a white supremacist.
If I'm lucky you'll try to defend yourself by rattling through the list of your racist beliefs and then we can have a real discussion.
But most anti-SJW types are so triggered by words like "racism" and "xenophobia" that we never get that far.
I agree, although I did not support Trump I hope this shows supporters of PC and SJW culture that attacking people not their ideas doesn't enact real change. More importantly the notion that ethics and morals are separate from opinions and feelings.
PC means politically correct. According to wikipedia[0], this is defined as "used to describe language, policies, or measures that are intended primarily not to offend or disadvantage any particular group of people in society." In short, thinking before you speak because words have consequences and can make people feel things.
SJW means social justice warrior. It carries a negative connotation, being defined[1] as "[carrying] implications of pursuing personal validation rather than any deep-seated conviction, and being engaged in disingenuous social justice arguments or activism to raise personal reputation."
A safe space is somewhere "individuals who feel marginalized [can] come together to communicate regarding their experiences with their perceived marginalization."[2] This originated so that members of the lgbt+ community could talk freely and not feel like they would be persecuted for doing so. People today sometimes use the term to refer to places where they cannot be openly hateful, citing a violation of free speech.
A trigger is something that can cause someone to recall a previous trauma that they have experienced. Examples could be descriptions or portrayals of rape, graphic violence, suicide, or blood. Not all triggers are this directly connected to what people have experienced, but these are what people usually use in trigger warnings. Trigger warnings are little things saying "hey, there's some material following that may potentially trigger memories of trauma."
Microaggressions refer to actions that are not directly aggressive to a member of a marginalized group, but are still hurtful. They can be defined[3] as "rooted in racism, sexism, or discrimination based on nationality or sexual orientation. [They] can be delivered casually or even unconsciously." Examples could be sexist jokes, purposeful discrimination based on race, or misgendering trans people.
Some people use these terms to say that people today are so sensitive, it's just words, etc. Most of those people are not members of any marginalized groups.
> trigger-warning=just google it. there are people that go in panic when they hear certain stuff (kinda insane really)
There are people who experience panic disorder/ptsd. Being "triggered" into a panic attack can literally require hospitalization. Just because you are fortunate enough to not experience this doesn't mean that all people are.
I'm not disagreeing with you, panic/ptsd triggers are a real and terrible thing, but in this context I think the use of "triggered" is referencing the current-internet-pop-culture-meme usage of the word.
Some examples:
"Have a nice day ma'am"
"Did you just assume my gender?!?"
(paraphrased from Tropic Thunder)
"What is it with you people?"
"What do you mean 'YOU people'?"
http://i.imgur.com/l2tY2wf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4Kw9O5g.png
http://i.imgur.com/199QTf6.jpg
It is the flavour of the year political topics maintained by a small percentage of college students. It'll soon fade from those buzzwords and take on a new ideology. Due to the internet, it seems like much bigger of an issue than it really is.
I don't see much evidence that these things matter outside of loud minorities.
That and all societies have these things. In Saudi Arabia it is illegal to insult the prophet and they have declared what amounts to a "safe space" for Islam. That's one extreme and clear example but every society has taboos and ways of enforcing those taboos.
How else can a bunch of very different people work together and be productive together without some level of decorum and safety? So, we get rid of 'political correctness' (i.e. respectfulness), and what then?
Many people don't like their co-worker's or neighbor's personal beliefs or behaviors. I can't see that letting people be persecuted openly will end well or fruitfully for anyone.
Addendum:
It's interesting that my other comments are getting downvoted or even detached. Wasn't part of this big 'movement' to get rid of political correctness? I guess I don't understand. But, I'll be done. Sorry.
The problem with SJW culture is not that they want respect, it's the utterly disrespectful, hostile, and dogmatic way they go about demanding it, and defining it.
>How else can a bunch of very different people work together and be productive together without some level of decorum and safety? So, we get rid of 'political correctness' (i.e. respectfulness), and what then?
Live and let live.
(Which is exactly what "safe spaces" and "check your privilege" and the political correctness under threat of ostracism _isn't_.)
You couldn't fit more reactionary buzzwords in there if you tried. Jesus... PC culture is not being able to call out Trump supporters for being bigots or else their feelings will get hurt.
I think that this is also a backslash against the PC, SJW, safe-space, trigger-warning, micro aggression tendencies that have been spreading in the U.S. for the last couple of years. This has become too much and millions of Americans are fed up with it, they have now spoken out.
Internet Archive is a very good example of how a fantastic website can be completely ruined by "design".
The site was organized and simple to use, but everything good must come to an end, so one day the maintainers announced the site would be completely rebuilt, because the look had not changed in years, and we all know that old is bad.
Time went on and the unavoidable day arrived were the new "improved" design became mandatory instead of an option.
I still cry when I visit Internet Archive at a rare occasion. What before was a organized site useful for research, has turned into an slow bloated unorganized "mobile first" abomination, to further rub salt into the wound they decided that infinite scrolling was a great idea.
