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I own one of these, its excellent. I leave it in my car.


Cheaper than some stupid generic college textbook though.


The contagion will spread until the munny printers catch fire from overuse.


You generally have to print money to recover from deleveraging. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHe0bXAIuk0&t=1470s


Aren't soldiers supposed to have at least some violent tendencies? Can't really fight a war with folks who aren't interested in killing other people.


No. Perhaps the ability to follow orders and open to killing enemies if necessary.

Not people that talk about, or implying, massacre of civilans and their own countrymen.

Anyway this guy is an airman in IT, not a soldier. Not really someone that would necessarily need an aggressive tendencies anyway.


Wait he was a shill? When I hear "airman in IT" I hear "Eglin AFB shill."


No, he was obviously not a "shill". I'm not sure where you are getting that from. He is clearly a troubled young man.

I'm not sure what "Eglin AFB shill" means.


While MD was real neat for the time, the first revision of the format didn't sound as good as a good quality cassette recorder with a high bias tape and Dolby B, especially with transient broad-band signals like cymbals and snare drums. Later on they fixed this to some degree but the issue was compatibility hell. A couple friends of mine had MD portables and while they were neat I was never really tempted because as a Linux user at that time, there was no way to get music onto them. I also had blown a big wad on a professional cassette Walkman.


> Later on they fixed this to some degree but the issue was compatibility hell.

This isn't really true. Later versions of the SP encoder are compatible with all decoders, in other words, except for MDLP and Hi-MD, discs recorded with Type-R or Type-S will still play even on the very first MD deck.


With the stunning 1-2% year on year gains in speed, when you're not losing 10-20% of your performance for mitigations, who sees a compelling reason to upgrade their computer? Laptop, workstation, or server?


It's been taken down, how can you clone it? Anyway if anybody has links to a mirror that'd be great. Still wondering why people don't self-host.


A mirror I just made: http://ni.4a.si/anonymous/gpt4free/

It's still available on github.


It's still available, just cloned it.


It's also tough because nobody really wants this. I've asked around and none of the vegans, vegetarians, or meat eaters I know are even vaguely interested in this. Reactions range from "huh" to "I'll never eat fake meat." I wont eat it either, it's dehumanizing.


I want this. I'll eat it. I'd be willing to pay some amount more than the current cost of regular meat (including the pricier more ethically-raised meat).

Yahoo reports about a quarter of vegans say they would eat it.[0] MSU survey found that 35% of people overall would eat cultured meat[1], including a majority of people aged 18-40)[2].

It's not the majority of the population, but it's certainly not 0%, and certainly appears to be well into double-digit percentages.

People are price-sensitive, so if it costs more than regular meat it will have a tough time gaining significant marketshare, but there's very clearly a sizable portion of the population who do want this, anecdotal surveys of your friends notwithstanding.

[0] https://news.yahoo.com/most-vegans-support-lab-grown-1208550...

[1] https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/michigan-state-university-poll...

[2] https://theconversation.com/would-you-eat-meat-from-a-lab-co...


To add the other side. Every single one of my friends are excited for lab grown meat. The potential for a cleaner and more ethical meat plus the potential for new and better/different tasting meat is a plus for everyone in my circle.


The energy inputs alone preclude any thought of it being ethical.


What are the energy inputs and how do they compare with meat?


What aren't they, really? That's what I'd like to know.


Meat is resource intensive and certainly more resource intensive than eating vegetables directly. Meat is so inefficient that we grow most of our crops to feed meat, for example.

Why is this difference presumably not an ethical concern for you, but it is with lab-grown meat?

Differentiating on energy intensiveness sounds like an empirical claim, so I'm going to ask about the empirics.


You can't eat grass, and most ungulates can. If you're concerned about your personal footprint, it's not hard (in the US) to buy locally-raised, small-farm grass-fed beef.


Interesting, I definitely know people who are looking forward to this. Some would be willing to pay a price premium for it, and others would wait until it is the same price or lower than regular meat.


If it ever actually comes to market there will be a huge marketing push to make it seem like or better than normal meat, and to reframe or make people not think about how the product is made. There's lots of things that are pretty gross when you think about them, but have been marketed and made palatable. I think they'll be able to create people who want the product by reframing what the product is, once they /have/ a product.

It's not 'lab grown meat', it's 'cruelty free meat' or 'eco steak.'


Every politician from the midwest, every meat industry lobbyist, and every livestock farmer will make damn sure that won't happen without a fight.


Also the vast majority of the public, who eat meat. I would sacrifice your right to free speech before I sacrificed my ability to eat meat.


I'll add to your anecdotal evidence by saying I am a vegetarian and I am interested in this. So somebody does really want this, just not people "around" you.


Same here, I don't get why people are craving this but I accept that they do. And it's much better ethically than the current raise, abuse and slaughter process. Let's just hope it's also better environmentally.


I'm an occasional-meat kinda eater, and yeah, I'll just go all-veggie (with eggs and milk—you can pry those from my cold, dead fingers, I'll farm my own if that's the only way to get it) before eating this stuff. If I want to fill gaps in nutrition with shit from a lab, I can just start taking vitamins. I dunno, maybe if it were super-cheap—well under the cost of farmed meat, like, 20% the price—I might use it some just because hey, cheap protein, but otherwise, no.


Many people overlook the implications of choices. I realized this when I purchased the Just Eggs. I don't purchase 1 or 2 bottle per months, but it is good to have.


yeah it might be prime time to start a flank of church that includes eating real meat from free range beef cattle, no sarcasm, puns intended… plus imagine if we actually let the real cattle dwindle enough to the point where commercial or infrastructure failure would leave us with a sudden large gap in available meat, seems like sustainable local farming is the only wise solution, not more factory farms with even less cows


Can a modern military about to enter WWIII susbsist on root marm? Let's find out.


Yea, I'll give up real meat when the elites do.


If you had to pay the actual cost of it instead of the subsidized cost, you'd probably eat a lot less of it.


Couldn't you say this about nearly everything? Energy green or non, non-meat foodstuffs, medicines, education, mail? Let's cut all subsidies across the board.


Well, In these cases, I think Elites will win and there will be more poor people.


With WWIII coming the poor people problem has been solved.


It's the same with minimizing my carbon footprint. As soon as Al Gore and Bill Gates stop flying I'm all in.


NTMA but I just got mine last week.


What does NTMA mean?


Sandy Lake fans just keep on winning. Never obsolete.


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